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Sarin-loaded artillery shell in Iraq

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A convoy encountered an improvised roadside bomb that released sarin gas today. Pretty scary stuff.

Yes, I know this comes under the heading of "grasping at straws" on the WMD question. But I think it's safe to assume the insurgents didn't build the shell themselves.

From Fox

CNN has a bulletin but no story yet. I would love to know where they found the the thing, because I doubt it was the only one.
 
Maybe insurgents did make it. Isnt Sarin gas kinda easy to create. Wasnt that the stuff used in that japanese subway terror attack?
 
Are you sure it was Iraq and not Times Square?


Maybe you could explain to me why that is.
 
Maybe cookbook chemistry, Tmy, but inserting it in a 155mm round sounds more military to me.

The Fox report I read was barely an acknowledgement. We've had these reports before, I think we'll have to wait and see if there are follow-on reports and tests of the bomb remains.
 
Tmy said:
Maybe insurgents did make it. Isnt Sarin gas kinda easy to create. Wasnt that the stuff used in that japanese subway terror attack?
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It's a complicated and dangerous process - so not all that easy. However, the stuff you need to make it can be bought virtually over the counter , so it's far from impossible to make your own.

Edited to add: Although if it was homemade, why it was then placed in a shell is another matter. Perhaps it was a test run for firing them out of actual artillery pieces. Although A 115mm round is quite a largeish one I'd have thought, I don't know if the insurgents still have any that size.
 
Tmy said:
Maybe insurgents did make it. Isnt Sarin gas kinda easy to create. Wasnt that the stuff used in that japanese subway terror attack?
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According to this site, sarin is complicated and dangerous to produce, although its components are publicly available. The batch of sarin used in the Japanese subway attack was apparently of relatively low quality and lethality.

What is worrisome in addition to the mere presence of the sarin is the implication that this was an artillery shell specifically designed to deliver chemical weapons (which had been rigged here as an improvised bomb). The two most likely places such a shell could have come from, it seems to me, are Saddam's old arsenal and Syria.
 
Jocko said:
A convoy encountered an improvised roadside bomb that released sarin gas today. Pretty scary stuff.

Yes, I know this comes under the heading of "grasping at straws" on the WMD question. But I think it's safe to assume the insurgents didn't build the shell themselves.

From Fox

CNN has a bulletin but no story yet. I would love to know where they found the the thing, because I doubt it was the only one.
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Jocko,

You must not post such propaganda here! Remember the 3 major points of the "JLEFT":
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!

Obviously this evidence was planted by PNAC!

-z
 
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rikzilla said:

Jocko,

You must not post such propaganda here! Remember the 3 major points of the "JLEFT":
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!

Obviously this evidence was planted by PNAC!

-z
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Yes, but why did this happen in Iraq and not HERE??
 
If they didn't know they had a sarin shell before, they know it now. They know where it came from too, if they want to get some more.

They can make proper use of the rest of them now that they know they contain sarin.
 
There are WMDS everywhere!!!! The Bush admin just doesnt want to bring up the findings cause they dont want to embarrass Hans Blix!!!:p


Why jsut the other day they found a slushy machine with enough suggary syurpy goop to cause hundreds of cavities!!!! But the liberal press wont cover that story!!
 
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rikzilla said:

You must not post such propaganda here! Remember the 3 major points of the "JLEFT":
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
  • There are no WMD's in Iraq!
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(loud guffaw) ... As if the WMD justification/fiasco was spun from whole cloth.

I borrow from The Idiot, when Steve Martin's father was explaining the difference between sh** and shinola: "Son, this here is message. This here is messenger."
 
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varwoche said:
I borrow from The Idiot, when Steve Martin's father was explaining the difference between sh** and shinola: "Son, this here is message. This here is messenger."
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That was The Jerk. The Idiot was Dostoevsky's.
 
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American said:



Yes, but why did this happen in Iraq and not HERE??
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We froze the frequent flyer accounts of every person with an arab sounding name after 9-11?

Look, there is no empirical way to link the lack of imported terrorism in america to the war in iraq. Mind you, I supported the war in iraq (even though as a younger man I cried "no blood for oil" during gulf war I).

As many have pointed out, by renewing the Gulf War we have made Iraq the frontline in the war on terror. Homocidal muslim theocrats don't need complicated visa schemes or to recruit white muslims to carry out the jihad against the west. Instead, they can just drive from SA, UAE, Iran, Syria, etc and join in the battle. Yes it is bloody.

However, your question as to why the shell wasn't exploded here is easy. Its because terrorists are too lazy to smuggle it into Mexico, swim across a creek, and detonate it in Austin. I mean really, we still have a long way to go on the domestic front. The war in Iraq is a nice distraction to our enemies but we are still vulnerable.
 
Jocko said:
A convoy encountered an improvised roadside bomb that released sarin gas today. Pretty scary stuff.

Yes, I know this comes under the heading of "grasping at straws" on the WMD question. But I think it's safe to assume the insurgents didn't build the shell themselves.

From Fox

CNN has a bulletin but no story yet. I would love to know where they found the the thing, because I doubt it was the only one.
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Definitely interesting, but I'll wait on further investigations before I conclude that it was from Saddam’s arsenal. It wouldn't be a huge shock to me if that turned out to be the case, since I originally though that Saddam had some sort of arsenal, but it does seem odd that nothing has been found until now.
 
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corplinx said:
However, your question as to why the shell wasn't exploded here is easy. Its because terrorists are too lazy to smuggle it into Mexico, swim across a creek, and detonate it in Austin. I mean really, we still have a long way to go on the domestic front. The war in Iraq is a nice distraction to our enemies but we are still vulnerable.
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Nice to see one person who isn't asleep during class.
 
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American said:



Nice to see one person who isn't asleep during class.
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I generally never sleep in class, but if you're the teacher:
:s2: :s2: :s2: :s2: :s2:
 
LTC8K6 said:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...7/international1027EDT0555.DTL&type=printable

Confirmed by the Iraq Survey Group.
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From your link:

He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited.
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If that's the case they likely got it from a hidden and unmarked stockpile. Interesting that it is an old-style binary shell.

If the insurgents didn't find it in Iraq, but brought it in with them, who gave it to them? If they knew what it was, it really doesn't make any sense to use it that way... in a bag as a home-made artillary shell pipe-bomb.
 
peptoabysmal said:

If that's the case they likely got it from a hidden and unmarked stockpile. Interesting that it is an old-style binary shell.

If the insurgents didn't find it in Iraq, but brought it in with them, who gave it to them? If they knew what it was, it really doesn't make any sense to use it that way... in a bag as a home-made artillary shell pipe-bomb.
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That's what scares me. If they didn't know what it was before, they sure as hell know now. Let's just hope they can't lay their hands on any artillery pieces.
 
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