Salman Rushdie Knighthood sparks outrage

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Muslims are outraged that Salman Rushdie, author of the controversial novel The Satanic Verses, has been knighted by Britain.
Pakistan's Religious Affairs Minister Ejaz-ul-Haq said that "Such actions are the root cause of terrorism" and "If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified."
 
I'll bet that the good Ejaz-ul-Haq hasn't even read The Satanic Verses...
 
Puppycow said:
Muslims are outraged that Salman Rushdie, author of the controversial novel The Satanic Verses, has been knighted by Britain.
Pakistan's Religious Affairs Minister Ejaz-ul-Haq said that "Such actions are the root cause of terrorism" and "If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified."
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84971

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Claus said:
I'll bet that the good Ejaz-ul-Haq hasn't even read The Satanic Verses...
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Evidence? :p

DR
 
And perhaps our British forumates can enlighten on how names are picked for knighthood, who makes the decision and whether there is any rational thought put into the choices. And while the world was outraged at the original fatwa calling for Rushdie's death, since it was withdrawn and since
the author was able to come out of hiding, what genius decided it was time to re-ignite the problem all over again and why?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/19/wrushdie119.xml
 
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SteveGrenard said:
And perhaps our British forumates can enlighten on how names are picked for knighthood, who makes the decision and whether there is any rational thought put into the choices. And while the world was outraged at the original fatwa calling for Rushdie's death, since it was withdrawn and since
the author was able to come out of hiding, what genius decided it was time to re-ignite the problem all over again and why?
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It was explained thusly to me by a Brit in the RAF.

When people do things of interest and benefit to the Queen and her people, they get nominated by someone to a committee in the UK, who vett and forward such nominations to the Sovereign, who makes a decision annually, and there is a name for the awards that I can't recall at the moment.

Thusly, Admiral Leighton "Snuffy" Smith, USN, was so honored for his service as the NATO Commander, Allied Forces South, for his work regarding Bosnia and the Former Yugoslavia in general. Likewise, Vice Admiral Sir Michael Moore, RN, for his leadership during Operation Sharp Guard.

Admiral Smith's knighthood is IIRC honorary.
Admiral Leighton W Smith Jr., who recently retired from the United States Navy, has been appointed by Queen Elizabeth II as an Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (Military Division) (KBE). The award, which will be made during an audience with The Queen at Buckingham Palace on 5 March, 1997 is in recognition of Admiral Leighton Smith's key role, whilst Commander-in Chief of NATO's Southern Command based in Naples.
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SteveGrenard said:
And perhaps our British forumates can enlighten on how names are picked for knighthood, who makes the decision and whether there is any rational thought put into the choices.
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It's part of the national lottery, they have a special edition twice a year, when the names for honours are selected at random from a shortlist by a special machine. First few out get a knighthood, then it's OBE, CBE and MBE awards.

SteveGrenard said:
And while the world was outraged at the original fatwa calling for Rushdie's death, since it was withdrawn and since
the author was able to come out of hiding, what genius decided it was time to re-ignite the problem all over again and why?
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He's been given a knighthood, presumably for services to literature. He won the Booker prize for Midnight's Children, then won the Booker of Bookers for the same book. Maybe it just wasn't predicted that this would cause Ejaz-ul-Haq to denounce it as a root cause of terrorism. As to whether it should have been?
 
Darth Rotor said:
Sir Michael Moore
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What?
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Puppycow said:
What?
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I said, specifically, Vice Admiral Sir Michael Moore, RN. RN = Royal Navy.
Sir Michael Moore, chief executive, Institution of Mechanical Engineers Aged 60, Sir Michael Moore has been with IMechE since 1998. He served for 38 years in the Royal Navy, where he had a mix of seagoing and deskbound jobs before retiring as a Vice Admiral. He also worked in the Ministry of Defence as director of naval warfare, and was in the dockyard and support arena during the Falklands War. He has been second in command of the Royal Yacht, and has held two senior appointments in NATO. Married with a son and three daughters, he is a younger brother of the maritime organisation Trinity House and an honorary fellow of the Royal Swedish Institute of Military Sciences. He is also fluent in Swedish. Sir Michael has a great interest in classical and choral music and occasionally plays the organ at weddings. He was knighted in the New Year Honours in 1997.
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DR
 
Puppycow said:
Muslims are outraged that Salman Rushdie, author of the controversial novel The Satanic Verses, has been knighted by Britain.
Pakistan's Religious Affairs Minister Ejaz-ul-Haq said that "Such actions are the root cause of terrorism" and "If someone commits suicide bombing to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammad, his act is justified."
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It's too bad Christianity is true and Mohammad is currently rotting like a pig in Hell. Bummer.

Puppycow said:
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How about someone a little hotter* getting some kind of not-quite-knightood thingie from the Queen?

* If you define "hot" as gorgeous women with black hair, creamy white skin, and big red lips. But only then.
 
SteveGrenard said:
And while the world was outraged at the original fatwa calling for Rushdie's death, since it was withdrawn and since
the author was able to come out of hiding, what genius decided it was time to re-ignite the problem all over again and why?
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It's surprising to see you suggest that the threat of negative reaction from Muslims should dictate who gets British knighthoods.
 
hgc said:
It's surprising to see you suggest that the threat of negative reaction from Muslims should dictate who gets British knighthoods.
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I am constantly amused if not taken aback by the things that offend muslims but this doesn't mean I think one should go out of their way to produce more of such offenses. Some of these offending things are unavoidable such as cab passengers who want to carry whisky in the back of a muslim driven taxicab. Or the lack of foothbaths at a Minnesota airport so muslim cabbies can wash their feet before they pray. Oh, never mind, they got their footbaths.

I am outraged muslims want to kill Rushdie for Satanic Verses. I am outraged muslims want to kill anyone for any blasphemy. But this knighthood was just stupid and undeserved and is causing problems in the country of an ally, Pakistan. It was obviously a provocation.
 
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SteveGrenard said:
I am constantly amused if not taken aback by the things that offend muslims but this doesn't mean I think one should go out of their way to produce more of such offenses. Some of these offending things are unavoidable such as cab passengers who want to carry whisky in the back of a muslim diven taxicab. Or the lack of foothbaths at a Minnesota airport so muslim cabbies can wash their feet before they prey. Oh, never mind, they got their footbaths.

I am outraged muslims want to kill Rushdie for Satanic Verses. I am outraged muslims want to kill anyone for any blasphemy. But this knighthood was just stupid and undeserved and is causing problems in the country of an ally, Pakistan. It was obviously a provocation.
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Why? What, exactly, has Rushdie done to Muslims?
 
CFLarsen said:
Why? What, exactly, has Rushdie done to Muslims?
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I think you would have to ask a Muslim what Salman Rushdie did to them
as it would be from their point of view or their perception. I only know what those Muslims are saying or doing in respect to his book and now to his knighthood.

Check the press on the reaction of Muslims to the knighthood for more information.
 
SteveGrenard said:
I am constantly amused if not taken aback by the things that offend muslims but this doesn't mean I think one should go out of their way to produce more of such offenses. Some of these offending things are unavoidable such as cab passengers who want to carry whisky in the back of a muslim driven taxicab. Or the lack of foothbaths at a Minnesota airport so muslim cabbies can wash their feet before they pray. Oh, never mind, they got their footbaths.

I am outraged muslims want to kill Rushdie for Satanic Verses. I am outraged muslims want to kill anyone for any blasphemy. But this knighthood was just stupid and undeserved and is causing problems in the country of an ally, Pakistan. It was obviously a provocation.
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Read your own writing - the dissonance is deafening. On the one hand, you are outraged about Muslim stridency, but on the other you think that the British doing what is normal - rewarding their leading citizens with this kind of honor for various kinds of achievements - is "go[ing] out of their way to produce more of such offenses." You seem to think Rushdie should be excluded from this thing just because Muslims don't like him. You're at the top of the capitulation heap with that one.
 
People have died at the hands of muslim extremists using Rushdie (rush-die)
as an excuse. It may happen again and capitulating is hardly a word I would use to describe not knighting an author when there are so many better candidates to fill the lists. This was a political provocation which is why I was interested in knowing how Rushdie got on the list but nobody seems to want to say or knows.

Of course it may be that Rushdie's books need a boost in the marketplace....
and this is sure to get it. If so, lives will be traded for private profit once again.
 
SteveGrenard said:
People have died at the hands of muslim extremists using Rushdie (rush-die)
as an excuse. It may happen again and capitulating is hardly a word I would use to describe not knighting an author when there are so many better candidates to fill the lists. This was a political provocation which is why I was interested in knowing how Rushdie got on the list but nobody seems to want to say or knows.

Of course it may be that Rushdie's books need a boost in the marketplace....
and this is sure to get it. If so, lives will be traded for private profit once again.
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Contrarily, capitulating is exactly the word. All your CT regarding how he got on the list and marketing books notwithstanding. How many lives will be lost because British women walk around with their hair showing? It's all for the sake of the sale of haircare products. Is it worth it?
 
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