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S. Browne Delaware Church Closes

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Great news: I just heard, from an insider in Browne's "church," that her Delaware satellite church has closed. No reason was disclosed, but this can only be good news.

In addition, have you noticed that absolutely NOTHING is going on with the GoSylvia site? What's up with that?

Looks like RSL's work is starting to become effective. :D
 
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NotARepublican said:
Great news: I just heard, from an insider in Browne's "church," that her Delaware satellite church has closed. No reason was disclosed, but this can only be good news. I haven't been able to confirm this, but I am trying.

In addition, have you noticed that absolutely NOTHING is going on with the GoSylvia site? What's up with that?

Looks like RSL's work is starting to become effective. :D
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I reckon people can only gush so much...

M.
 
I reckon you're right. Most of the crap in her guestbook, other than what I put in, were ads for pills and porn. Go,go,go.........
 
I've had a look at GSB.com"
There's very little about RSL's site, though the admin, Heather Brown acknowledges that her dealings with him have been consistently positive- as I would expect of any honest person. I have some hope for Ms.Brown, who seems rather decent; she must, eventually , see the truth about the person she is defending.

It looks like GSB is settling to a fairly small core group of enthusiasts. Fine. No business of anyone here. I cannot approve spamming of other boards and hope the problems Ms. Brown had early on did not come from anyone here.

I can't help thinking any objective reader of that board and this one will be immediately struck by several differences.
While each board has an innate mindset, there is a stultifying tendency to orthodoxy there which suppresses real discussion or debate: It's a love fest. JREF is many things, but not that.
While most folk on the JREF forum admire Randi, we are frequently openly critical, fast to correct his public errors and in no way form an adoring cult. I did not go to TAM to see Randi. I went to meet like minded people.

I get the strong impression the posters at GSB are predominantly female, whereas the membership here , while predominantly male, is a far healthier mix of both sexes. (And nobody can say women take a back seat here either).
The avatars. Why do all spirit/ new age boards have pictures of angels and fairies?

GSB is awfully dull. If Ms.Brown seriously wants it to flourish, she needs to cut people some slack and permit dissenting opinion. It can still be moderated .
JREF has done some hand wringing over restriction of free speech, We have forbidden words and mod teams and admins, which we would like not to require, but it turns out web boards need policing. The tighter your permitted freedom of speech, the more policing you need and the less your appeal to outsiders.

I wonder how much freedom of thought there is in the "churches"?
 
NotARepublican said:
Exactly--because it's closed.
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Yes, that same page archived from 2006 shows services at Wilmington, DE, Tucson AZ, Calgary, Alberta Canada, Renton WA, and Campbell, CA.

Currently the page lists Allen Park MI, Las Vegas, NV, Parlin, New Jersey, Renton WA, and Campbell, CA.

ETA: The address of the "church:" 2119 The Hwy Wilmington, DE 19810-4059 is still cached at google.com and according to this page that matches that address (has different phone number than listed at Browne's archived website) it has two employees and brings in a total of $51,000/year.

Also worth mentioning, the phone number of the Delaware church is a residental number according to http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/
 
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Soapy Sam said:
I cannot approve spamming of other boards and hope the problems Ms. Brown had early on did not come from anyone here.
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I tried several times to post questions and comments on their forum, but none of them appeared.

She justifies censoring out critical comments (comments and questions I posted are by no means "spam") by maintaining that the site is strictly a rah-rah fan site. My problem with that is that in her blog she argues points, at least sometimes points raised on StopSylviaBrowne.

In particular, she addressed the issue about a fan site being run by a Sylvia Browne insider. After she identified who she is (well--after Robert first identified her), one of the fans wrote that he considered the issue closed. I wrote that she never answered the question about financial disinterest. Does she actually draw a salary from Sylvia Browne (or Novus)?

Sorry--if you have what looks like a debate, you've got to allow comments from the other side, and you've got to answer them. I don't find her behavior to be "honest" or "decent".
 
I wonder if Rev. Nancy Williams, who ran the Delaware satellite, would consider talking with RSL, especially since there was allegedly a "disagreement" between her and the higher ups.
 
Soapy Sam said:
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GSB is awfully dull. If Ms.Brown seriously wants it to flourish, she needs to cut people some slack and permit dissenting opinion.
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SSB and GSB is a two pronged attack against Browne. SSB targets those who are interested in learning about Browne, and shows reasons to be skeptical. Whereas GSB alienates current supporters with draconian rules.

They are great websites exposing Browne's tactics in two different ways.
 
I have to agree with you, the GSB site is undoubtedly the most pitiful excuse for a "Fan" site, and more so because her son's girlfriend runs it. What is the old saying, "With friends like that, one doesn't need enemies.


FYI:

As for the info regarding the Delaware 'church' and the listing of 2 employees bringing in $51k a year:

I did some research, and that address belongs to the Buzz Ware Community Center. They rent a room to the Delaware group for use with their services. The employees and amounts are for that community center, not the church group.

It is nice to know that at least one place wasn't raking in the money.
 
No doubt people like us will be blamed for the church closing, what with all our "negative vibrations" and all.
 
Oh yes, they definately blindsided her, and her Board. Especially Prelate Sheila Hallmeyer when Canada broke away from NS.

Now there is only Cambpell and Renton, and 3 part-time "churches" that can't even operate every Sunday. Pretty sad for an "International Religion".

Now one can understand why they say they are building their church on home-based study groups, because when a study group quits very few people know about it.
 
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angrybeliever said:
I have to agree with you, the GSB site is undoubtedly the most pitiful excuse for a "Fan" site, and more so because her son's girlfriend runs it. What is the old saying, "With friends like that, one doesn't need enemies.


FYI:

As for the info regarding the Delaware 'church' and the listing of 2 employees bringing in $51k a year:

I did some research, and that address belongs to the Buzz Ware Community Center. They rent a room to the Delaware group for use with their services. The employees and amounts are for that community center, not the church group.

It is nice to know that at least one place wasn't raking in the money.
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That's correct AB. The community center has 4 rooms - 2 large ones and 2 smaller ones. Nancy rented one of the smaller rooms that hold about 50 people comfortably. That 51K didn't have anything to do with our church.

There wasn't much money taken in on Sundays but nobody felt uncomfortable if they didn't have anything to put in the basket because we knew that when Nancy told us when the basket was being passed if we needed some we should take it out, she meant it. Bet you won't find that being said in any other church.

She always made us feel that we were there to be part of a spiritual community and it never mattered if we couldn't contribute financially. Although she never said it, we knew that some weeks she used her own money to pay for the rental because there wasn't enough in the basket to pay for the room. She's a special lady.

WFT
 
NotARepublican said:
Great news: I just heard, from an insider in Browne's "church," that her Delaware satellite church has closed. No reason was disclosed, but this can only be good news.

In addition, have you noticed that absolutely NOTHING is going on with the GoSylvia site? What's up with that?

Looks like RSL's work is starting to become effective. :D
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No, I hadn't noticed. Perhaps you should find other sites to visit every day?
 
angrybeliever said:
Truthfully, I think that the closing of the recent 2 out of 3 churches, I think blindsided her.
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Maybe, but in my opinion, not enough. I doubt that she really cares about a couple of churches closing. I was told that the people in CA are telling people who ask that the minister just got tired of doing it.

Even on GSB when someone asked about the church closing, it was sidestepped and never addressed. They wouldn't want the loyal Sylvia followers to have even a hint of dissension.

All mention of RSL or SSB has been removed from GSB. Typical of how they operate, if it's not in writing, it doesn't exist. And those who are on GSB will not read SSB because they'd have to open their minds and get their heads out of their as....es. And that's not going to happen because they will not accept anything negative about their hero.

ST
 
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