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[zenith-nadir]

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Putin isn't stupid, so why in the hell would he allow air defence rocket systems to be shipped to a country that is lining all their ducks up in a row to start the apocalypse?

Because that is what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing. Getting ready to start the apocalypse. Don't kid yourself that he is not. He really belives in the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam.

The guy openly says Israel must be wiped off the map and the holocaust didn't happen. He also is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. So after he goes after the "little satan" who's next? The big satan, America.

So why is Russia helping him?

 

[Marc L]

Russian rocket deliveries to Iran started

Putin isn't stupid, so why in the hell would he allow air defence rocket systems to be shipped to a country that is lining all their ducks up in a row to start the apocalypse?

Because that is what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing. Getting ready to start the apocalypse. Don't kid yourself that he is not. He really belives in the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam.

The guy openly says Israel must be wiped off the map and the holocaust didn't happen. He also is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. So after he goes after the "little satan" who's next? The big satan, America.

So why is Russia helping him?

One reason. $$$$$ Or what ever the symbol for rubles is.

Marc

 

[zenith-nadir]

One reason. $$$$$ Or what ever the symbol for rubles is.

Marc

It's "three cyrillic characters forming the Russian equivalent of 'RUB'".

 

[Darth Rotor]

Russian rocket deliveries to Iran started

Putin isn't stupid, so why in the hell would he allow air defence rocket systems to be shipped to a country that is lining all their ducks up in a row to start the apocalypse?

Because that is what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is doing. Getting ready to start the apocalypse. Don't kid yourself that he is not. He really belives in the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam.

The guy openly says Israel must be wiped off the map and the holocaust didn't happen. He also is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. So after he goes after the "little satan" who's next? The big satan, America.

So why is Russia helping him?

How are Russian Air Defense systems being sold to Iran a more sinister development than US Air Defense systems sold to Japan or South Korea?

DR

 

[zenith-nadir]

How are Russian Air Defense systems being sold to Iran a more sinister development than US Air Defense systems sold to Japan or South Korea?

DR

Well, for one thing, Japan and South Korea aren't gearing up for the apocalypse. Yet I truely believe Ahmadinejad is. Therefore providing him with defensive military systems is the last thing one should be doing right now.

Ahmadinejad believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime.

'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader

Iranians fear their fanatical leader is plotting a nuclear apocalypse.

Apocalypse now ushered by Ahmadinejad

 

[Gurdur]

.... He also is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. So after he goes after the "little satan" who's next? The big satan, America.

No offence, but Iran -- even if it had primitive nuclear weapons -- is absolutely no threat at all to the USA.

A massive true-ICBM-building program is way beyond Iran's capabilities; and without large numbers of true ICBM's, Iran simply poses no threat to the USA at all.

The only way Iran could ever adversely affect the USA is by driving up the price of oil, a threat the USA could really easily obviate totally simply by insisting on and enforcing rigorous miles-per-gallon standards for all cars and trucks in the USA (something it won't do and will never do, but is able to do).

So, while Iran obviously poses a nasty genuine potential threat to Israel, it does not even pose a potential genuine threat to the USA at all.

So why is Russia helping him?

Why not? Russia's interests are not the same as the USA's interests.

 

[Huntster]

No offence, but Iran -- even if it had primitive nuclear weapons -- is absolutely no threat at all to the USA.

Russian air defense weapons certainly pose no threat. U.S. air power will simply destroy them on their first sorties. May as well sell them to a fool than throw them away.

Any Iranian nuclear device, however, even primitive, is a huge threat, since Iran has established no qualms regarding their interactions with terrorists who would love to smuggle such a device into the U.S.

The only way Iran could ever adversely affect the USA is by driving up the price of oil, a threat the USA could really easily obviate totally simply by insisting on and enforcing rigorous miles-per-gallon standards for all cars and trucks in the USA (something it won't do and will never do, but is able to do).

Oh. Another guy who's going to "conserve" himself to the next gas station, only to find nothing for sale.

 

[firecoins]

No offence, but Iran -- even if it had primitive nuclear weapons -- is absolutely no threat at all to the USA..
A massive true-ICBM-building program is way beyond Iran's capabilities; and without large numbers of true ICBM's, Iran simply poses no threat to the USA at all.
So, while Iran obviously poses a nasty genuine potential threat to Israel, it does not even pose a potential genuine threat to the USA at all.

Nuclear war in only a threat if the USA could be hit? Your so USA centric. Hitting Israel with nuke is okay for you? And Israel retaliates hitting Iran and possibly nearby Arab states? What wll that do to world oil supplies? It appears that nuclear war in the Middle East is a threat to everyone including Russia, China and Europe.

 

[Beerina]

One reason. $$$$$ Or what ever the symbol for rubles is.

Marc

More than that, he's also playing the old Cold War game where you arm your opponent's opponents for the purpose of creating a thorn in their side. Which means Putin sees the west as his opponent, a disturbing development on top of all the state censorship he's instituted.

 

[Beerina]

How are Russian Air Defense systems being sold to Iran a more sinister development than US Air Defense systems sold to Japan or South Korea?

DR

Because Iran would execute you for asking that question, while Japan and South Korea would not?

 

[Gurdur]

*snicker*
Huntster, I'm sorry, but I will concentrate on someone else for a change, just for the moment. This one here is just to bizarre to pass up on. Pardon me please, but as you will see the opportunity is too good to pass up on.

Nuclear war in only a threat if the USA could be hit?

D'oh. IOW, it's only a threat to the USA if it is a genuine threat to the USA.
Let me know what is so hard to understand about that.

Your so USA centric.

Ha ha ha ha HA! If I may say so, Huntster has been implying I'm anti-American, while you claim I am "USA centric".
I find this brilliant, and very funny.

The OP's author, Sabra, explicitly raised the question of a direct threat to specifically the USA.
I replied specifically to that exact question.
Let me know what is so hard to understand about that.

Hitting Israel with nuke is okay for you?

Have you even the slightest shred of evidence for that? Or did you just make it completely up?

What wll that do to world oil supplies?

You failed to read all my post, I see.
I explicitly discussed the risk of rise in oil prices in relation to a direct threat to the USA. Go back and re-read my post.

Or stick around; I enjoy this all in a perverse way.

 

[Huntster]

....Huntster has been implying I'm anti-American, while you claim I am "USA centric".
I find this brilliant, and very funny.....

I state no such thing. If I believe you to be "anti" anything, it is anti-Huntster.

I'm not so sure that is brilliant or funny, but you are beginning to appear humorous.

 

[firecoins]

*D'oh. IOW, it's only a threat to the USA if it is a genuine threat to the USA.
Let me know what is so hard to understand about that.

Not only do I understand that, I disagree with it, which is why I replied.
Nuclear war anywhere is a threat to everone on this planet, which is why I accused you of being USA centric as you only seem to care if the US get hit. I think seeing this in terms of whether the USA can be hit by Iranian nukes or not is very short sighted. No one prior to 9/11, thought the attacks on 9/11 was reasonable. It is within Iran's capability to put a nuke on a ship and take that ship into a US harbour and blow it up. I am sure Iran can find people willing to do a suicide attack. The Iranian president is threatening to destroy Israel. For that reason and that reason alone, I am against Iran having a nuke. Or anyone helping them out. The threatened use of a nuclear bomb reguardless of where they are capable of hitting is a global threat.

 

[Gurdur]

Not only do I understand that,

Congratulations, though I think your statement may well be premature.

Nuclear war anywhere is a threat to everone on this planet,

Nonsense.
How did Hiroshima or Nagasaki affect Togo? If a nuclear war happened between India and Pakistan today, it would really affect no-one else directly. Except maybe Afghanistan.

which is why I accused you of being USA centric

Silly.

as you only seem to care if the US get hit.

Very very silly.
I don't even live in the USA, and I don't want to.

I think

Next time try reading a post more closely instead.

It is within Iran's capability to put a nuke on a ship and take that ship into a US harbour and blow it up.

Wow! I am sure --- NOT! --- that Iran would accept destroying part of one American city in return for the sure retaliatory destruction of all of Iran by the USA.

IOW, I think your scenario is a very empty fantasy. It won't happen. The negative effects for Iran would simply be too great.

 

[Huntster]

...Nonsense.
How did Hiroshima or Nagasaki affect Togo?

It placed them (along with everyone else) within the possibility of nuclear war.

If a nuclear war happened between India and Pakistan today, it would really affect no-one else directly. Except maybe Afghanistan.

No problem or concern for China, Nepal, Tibet, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Shir Lanka, or Tajikistan?

Everybody else should just yawn and go back to sleep?

If such is the case, why is everybody so up in arms regarding U.S. activity in Iraq? No nuclear weapons are being used or threatened to be used. Just your run-of-the-mill ordnance. Nothing to be concerned about, right?

 

[Gurdur]

It placed them (along with everyone else) within the possibility of nuclear war.

meh, what an empty possibility so far. Everyone else has far more pressing problems.

No problem or concern for China, Nepal, Tibet, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Shir Lanka, or Tajikistan?

Nope. Wind patterns over all likely possible targets in India and Pakistan mean minimal fall-out for all the countries you mentioned.

Everybody else should just yawn and go back to sleep?

I like the rhetorical false dichotomy, , art for art's sakes after all, but that's all it is.

Do try to keep in mind what we are discussing at the moment. We are discussing direct threats. That really can't be so hard to grasp.

If such is the case, why is everybody so up in arms regarding U.S. activity in Iraq?

* sigh *
Is the art of sticking to the point so despised by you?

 

[firecoins]

Congratulations, though I think your statement may well be premature. .

Premature to what exactly?

Please, don't move to the US. I don't where you live. I hope it isn't Canada or Mexico. That is too close to me.

Nuclear is probably the most pressing problem on this planet.

Pakistan and India blowing each other up isn't problem for you? Iran and Israle blowing each other up also isn;t a problem?
The nuking Japan ended WWII but it started the cold war which has led to the problems we had today, so yes nuclear warefare is a problem.

 

[bjb]

Do not ask for whom the bomb tolls, it tolls for thee.

Even so, Iran's new air defense system doesn't scare me. They're only good for shooting down airplanes that are trying to bomb Iran. They don't work against cruise missiles, and I'm pretty sure Russian air defense systems aren't any good against American stealth aircraft. In fact, I think this is good news for everyone involved. Russia gets money from Iran, Raytheon gets to build more AGM-88 missiles, and Bush gets another excuse to complain about Iran. Even the Iranian leaders are happy because they are showing their people that they're doing something to prevent George Bush's invasion of their country.

 

[Kopji]

The Tor-M1 is a low to medium-altitude missile fired from a tracked vehicle against airplanes, helicopters and other airborne targets.

If they ended up in Iraq it might not be too good.

 

[firecoins]

Do not ask for whom the bomb tolls, it tolls for thee.

Even so, Iran's new air defense system doesn't scare me. They're only good for shooting down airplanes that are trying to bomb Iran. They don't work against cruise missiles, and I'm pretty sure Russian air defense systems aren't any good against American stealth aircraft. In fact, I think this is good news for everyone involved. Russia gets money from Iran, Raytheon gets to build more AGM-88 missiles, and Bush gets another excuse to complain about Iran. Even the Iranian leaders are happy because they are showing their people that they're doing something to prevent George Bush's invasion of their country.

Iraq is preventing Bush's "invasion" of Iran. Of course Iran is suspect in some of that violence.

How is everyone happy? Israel is still being threatened with nuclear attack. With this defense it gives Iran the feeling of invinsibility to launch an offensive nuclear attack.