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Russia decides its been overplaying its hand.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39004987

Looks like Russia has realised a tad late that it has overplayed its hand in regards to Trump. Must have started to think being so pally with him was in fact going to stop them achieving their goals. I think Putin and his cronies have done their calculations and they think that even Trump supporters would cry foul if now Trump made concessions and turned a blind eye to their behaviour.

Personally I don't think Trump supporters would so I think the Russians are underestimating what Trump can get away with in regards to his supporters.
 
Darat said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39004987

Looks like Russia has realised a tad late that it has overplayed its hand in regards to Trump. Must have started to think being so pally with him was in fact going to stop them achieving their goals. I think Putin and his cronies have done their calculations and they think that even Trump supporters would cry foul if now Trump made concessions and turned a blind eye to their behaviour.

Personally I don't think Trump supporters would so I think the Russians are underestimating what Trump can get away with in regards to his supporters.
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Or maybe you are overestimating the numbers of Trump supporters by not taking into account a large number of the votes he received were not from actual supporters, but rather just an anti-Hillary contingent?
 
The premise of the article is false and you shouldn't waste your time with what someone like Steve Rosenberg "detects". If you want a relevant Russian comment on the state of affairs, watch Lavrov tomorrow in Munich (not dull BBC reports about it) on the tenth anniversary of Putin's infamous and prophetic speech.
 
"Recently the White House has been making many contradictory and incompatible statements about the foreign policy direction of Trump's team, including issues that affect Russia's interests."

So they're talking about Russia like everything else?
 
Red Baron Farms said:
Or maybe you are overestimating the numbers of Trump supporters by not taking into account a large number of the votes he received were not from actual supporters, but rather just an anti-Hillary contingent?
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Er... you seem to have missed the main point in the OP - that Russia is changing its public attitude to Trump.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
Or maybe you are overestimating the numbers of Trump supporters by not taking into account a large number of the votes he received were not from actual supporters, but rather just an anti-Hillary contingent?
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Agreed, I'm one of them. Screw Russia, who cares about them? :confused:
 
Childlike Empress said:
The premise of the article is false and you shouldn't waste your time with what someone like Steve Rosenberg "detects". If you want a relevant Russian comment on the state of affairs, watch Lavrov tomorrow in Munich (not dull BBC reports about it) on the tenth anniversary of Putin's infamous and prophetic speech.
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Why would he be in Munich tomorrow ?
 
tyr_13 said:
'Mad Dog' is Mattis' nickname.
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FYI independent minds tend to come up with their own nicknames for people.

FTR Lavrov today, he had to pick up Putin's decade old speech, which he did in the very beginning, but he was relatively unconfrontational and brief, leaving quite some time for questions (realize that he is speaking to a room packed with the NATO "elite"). Most essence is maybe in his answer to the "Minsk agreement" question which is an issue FAKE NEWS still distorts viciously. That (not the other) Klitschko brother is filmed in pain in the audience several times.

 
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IIIClovisIII said:
Buh...buh...he said he was going to pull his support of NATO.


Pence, Mattis, and Tillerson seem to be doing their best damage control to ease this mess.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/mike-pence-europe-visit-allies-trump-235135
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No he didn't say he was going to pull his support. It was a threat to negotiate and it has worked.

http://www.ibtimes.com/quotes-donal...date-said-about-north-atlantic-treaty-2393661

He's merely negotiating with some of the other Countries to pay their fair share.

In addition, he called NATO "obsolete". He did not say that it needed to be dismantled. That's what some wrongly interpreted the comment to mean. You'll notice that NATO has made a major shift toward combating terrorism instead of the 1980's Cold War philosophy of a battle between big Armies in Europe.

For years NATO has been somewhat like the UN, a Country Club for Generals, Admirals from some of the NATO members.

Some Countries have already started increasing their contribution....

What he's saying is just a negotiating tactic. There was never any real danger of the US not supporting it's commitment to NATO.
 
I have previously proposed as a good working hypothesis that virtually no one who becomes associated with Trump comes off anything but worse off as a result. Not his customers, not his business partners, not his employees, not his loyal toadies, and in many ways not even his long string of wives. Only Trump comes out ahead in most cases. Now I think that Russia has discovered this principal. Forgive me if I fail to weep.
 
Reheat said:
No he didn't say he was going to pull his support. It was a threat to negotiate and it has worked.

http://www.ibtimes.com/quotes-donal...date-said-about-north-atlantic-treaty-2393661

He's merely negotiating with some of the other Countries to pay their fair share.

In addition, he called NATO "obsolete". He did not say that it needed to be dismantled. That's what some wrongly interpreted the comment to mean. You'll notice that NATO has made a major shift toward combating terrorism instead of the 1980's Cold War philosophy of a battle between big Armies in Europe.

For years NATO has been somewhat like the UN, a Country Club for Generals, Admirals from some of the NATO members.

Some Countries have already started increasing their contribution....

What he's saying is just a negotiating tactic. There was never any real danger of the US not supporting it's commitment to NATO.
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It is so charming and impressive that you can manufacture a semblance of order out of the mindless chaos and profound ignorance that comes out of Trump's mouth and which apparently substitutes in his case for thought. The White House may have a position for you (who has Trump fired recently?). My only concern is that your talent and interest in explaining things logically is so different from Trump's approach and requirements that evidetually you would no longer be able to stomach it and you would need to quit.
 
Darat said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39004987

Looks like Russia has realised a tad late that it has overplayed its hand in regards to Trump. Must have started to think being so pally with him was in fact going to stop them achieving their goals. I think Putin and his cronies have done their calculations and they think that even Trump supporters would cry foul if now Trump made concessions and turned a blind eye to their behaviour.

Personally I don't think Trump supporters would so I think the Russians are underestimating what Trump can get away with in regards to his supporters.
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Following the resignations after it was revealed his closest advisors were colluding with Russia to obtain their assistance for elections Trump will be hard pressed to maintain a cordial stance with them.

Trump is walking on thin ice. Between the interests of Russia and his own interests, who do you think he will choose?

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Trump is walking on thin ice. Between the interests of Russia and his own interests, who do you think he will choose?

McHrozni
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I guess it comes down to the degree of overlap between the two. If Russia is in the position that various scurrilous rumours suggest, that it has very compromising material on President Trump which it could release, that it holds a lot of debt belonging to the Trump companies and that there are multi-billion dollar deals involving Russia (and requiring the suspension of sanctions and so forth) from which the Trump companies would benefit, then there may be a lot of overlap and Trump could continue to operate to their benefit.

OTOH if all the above is wholly or largely imaginary and the only reason that Trump has apparently supported Russia's interests to date is a personal regard for Putin and a desire for world peace (what ? It could happen :D) then the recent reversals could significantly affect that personal regard and cause a reassessment of Trump's stance regarding Russia.
 
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