Russell - Why Won't LC/Dylan Ban Nazis

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Russell,

GUILT BY ASSOCIATION

We all know that LC is banning any dissenting voice. Yet you make a comfy sitting room for neo-nazis and holocaust apologists.

Why? By reverse logic, isn't that saying that these ARE NOT dissenting voices, and that LC agrees with them?

Haven't you told us that Dylan's a decent and caring human being and not at all the wild-eyed lunatic some of us perceive him as? Is he a closet (or open) nazi? Or is he so in need of sycophants and cheerleaders that anyone who will agree with him is welcome in the "big tent"?

Thanks to Chipmunk Stew for the catch on this one... Rei Murasame has a cutaway of the nazi flag in her profile!
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2162377#post2162377

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1317

And no feigning innocence by ignorance, okay? Killtown, IVXX, and Dylan hisself are in that thread. This rabid lunatic posts a five page diatribe, with cites from notorious anti-semites and holocaust deniers/apologists, and your "boyz" just contribute, no one comes out and says, "Rei, dear, you're a frothing at the mouth psychotic and we are banning you because we don't want to be associated with sociopaths...." No, in fact, they cheer her on!

That's the thread in which Killtown says he can't respect anyone who uses the word "nutbar". Killtown????? Say no more.

If you make a safe haven for these people and allow them to spew their vommit at the world, yet deny access/debate to people who YOU have to come over HERE to have a discussion with, can't you see the blatant irony, nay - hypocrisy, staring you in the face.

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That's a very good question FMW.

Odd that all I can recall doing is argueing with KT and I get banned while this poster goes on a rampage and gets ,,,,, nothing!

With Killtown on "LC" and Jeff Hill on "Pilots for 911 Truth" the movement must be on its last legs.
 
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Why should they? They quote the American Free Press like it is the word of God. Hell, the AFP advertises during Bermas' radio show.
 
many of the people in the loose change forum and pilots for truth forum believe that zionism is literally bent on world domination.

they believe that ww1 and ww2 was started by zionists inorder to sow the seeds of israel's creation. some of them even believe that the holocaust literally did not happen, and is a myth devised to garner the neccessary support for israel's creation, and to allow massive lawsuits against germany to help pay for israel's development and put thousands of $$ in the hands of "so-called" survivors. they claim that less then 4 million jews lived in europe pre-ww2...therefore 6 million could not have died. im not going to begin to list the number of census's of pre-ww2 european jewish population stating between 11 and 12 million jews.

so basically, many 9-11 conspiracy theorists are half-way to becoming full fledged neo-nazis. all they lack is the belief in the racial inferiority of jews. but as far as the politics is concerned, they are on board 100%.

they will, ofcourse, claim that they have absolutely nothing against jews. its only zionists that they despise. forget the fact that the great majority of jews would consider themselves a zionist of some fashion.
 
Parky,

Oh, I know all that prevarication. I just want to hear what the troofers have to say. Rei is posting the Swastika/Nazi Germany flag in her profile, for Ed's sake! Is she merely fond of all the other lovely trappings of nazism but "has nothing against Jews, per se"?

And I'd like to hear what Russell has to say about the "strange bedfellows". Like I said, Mr. Dylan Avery was posting right in that thread. Did he do a Russsell and call the deniers down? No, he added to it and gave her a pat on her back.
 
parky76 said:
so basically, many 9-11 conspiracy theorists are half-way to becoming full fledged neo-nazis. all they lack is the belief in the racial inferiority of jews. but as far as the politics is concerned, they are on board 100%.

they will, ofcourse, claim that they have absolutely nothing against jews. its only zionists that they despise. forget the fact that the great majority of jews would consider themselves a zionist of some fashion.
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anti zionism is inherently anti semetic in that it is rooted in the belief that the jews are not a nationality and as such do not deserve to exist as a member of the nations but should continue to be relegated to minority subjects in every country they live in. whether or not you agree with how Israel conducts itself in its affairs (and i think most thinking people can see a lot of flaws with their approach sometimes) to assert that Israel has no right to exist is to tell the jewish people that they have no right to assert their own rights to a nation. I used to be sympathetic to many of the anti zionist arguements (coupling it with a general anti imperialism) but it really boils down to self determination in its basic wilsonian sense.

if im not mistaken i could swear i heard dylan ramble on some anti semetic tirade, but maybe i was just imagining that, i have no doubt that he and the majority of his followers are anti semites.
 
I thought that anti zionists didn't want an all jewish state.

I wouldn't want an all jewish state, or an all christian state, or an all muslim state.. you can't unite people by dividing them.

Does that make me anti semetic?
 
no, anti zionism just means that they dont believe in a nation for the jews, regardless of who else they allow to stay there, and there are obviously a lot of arab israelis, no one is talking about ethnicly cleansing israel except for far fringe groups.
 
JAStewart said:
I thought that anti zionists didn't want an all jewish state.

I wouldn't want an all jewish state, or an all christian state, or an all muslim state.. you can't unite people by dividing them.

Does that make me anti semetic?
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As I understand it, the most common version of Zionism was about founding a state for Jews to live in (effectively formalising Jewish migration to Palestine) but this did not mean excluding non-Jews from the state. The are still Arabs living in Israel to this day.
 
Hehe, I saw this Dylan post in the thread:


"personally, i don't really care about SLC or mark roberts. history will remember us and the truth movement, not them."


us = Louder Than Words.

Wow. In it for the fame.


Man something I notice about the LC forums now. It is JUST 'hardcore' or long-standing members left it seems! Look at that post and it pretty much the same 4-6 people posting! Dylan's biggest mistake was switching message boards. That at least 1/2ed the amount of people.
 
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Well if you take the nazis out of the LC forum what are you left with?
A few paranoid delusional pot heads.
At least those nazis know how to dress smartly.:duck:
 
Foolmewunz said:
At minimum I can expect a new stalker-sock to show up here and follow me around threads for a while. Maybe it's time to go over and start that discussion on Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. That ought to be right up Killtown's alley.

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Crikey, that's a bit heavy.

Does it have pictures?
 
uk_dave said:
Crikey, that's a bit heavy.

Does it have pictures?
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Nope. It is so dry that it has hierarchically numbered paragraph system.

Anyway here's a bit I like:

6.422 When an ethical law of the form, 'Thou shalt ...' is laid down, one's first thought is, 'And what if I do, not do it?' It is clear, however, that ethics has nothing to do with punishment and reward in the usual sense of the terms. So our question about the consequences of an action must be unimportant.--At least those consequences should not be events. For there must be something right about the question we posed. There must indeed be some kind of ethical reward and ethical punishment, but they must reside in the action itself. (And it is also clear that the reward must be something pleasant and the punishment something unpleasant.)
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source http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/tloph10.txt
bolding mine

I take some reassurance from the idea that people are their own punishment, especially when applied to truthers.
 
Didn't Bertrand Russell do a YouTube version? :wackyspinny:

@Maccy - I can't access more than the visible page of that thread, because I haven't signed up for the madhouse. If it gets any responses from the "playahs" instead of the wannabes, could you update us here, occasionally.

Popcorn.... still waiting to see if Russell drops in for a comment. Hard to believe he'll miss a thread addressed to him, directly.
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jhunter1163 said:
Think there's any money to be made in writing Wittgenstein for Dummies?
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There is Wittgenstein for Beginners, now out of print. It also has an audio version starring Steven Berkoff.

Wittgenstein has quite a lot of phrases that have soundbite appeal ("The limits of my language are the limits of my world", "There's no such thing as a private language"*) but I'm not sure that they should be taken out of context or even that his writings can be usefully condensed any more than they are already. I'm happy to admit, though, that I haven't worked hard enough at them to properly get a grip on them.

*quoted from memory, so they may be a bit wrong.
 
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