Rumsfeld can't find the chemical weapons

Taken out of context, here's the rest of it:

"I don't think we'll discover anything, myself," Rumsfeld said at a town hall-style meeting with Pentagon employees.

"I think what will happen is we'll discover people who will tell us where to go find it. It is not like a treasure hunt where you just run around looking everywhere, hoping you find something."
 
peptoabysmal said:
Taken out of context, here's the rest of it:

"I don't think we'll discover anything, myself," Rumsfeld said at a town hall-style meeting with Pentagon employees.

"I think what will happen is we'll discover people who will tell us where to go find it. It is not like a treasure hunt where you just run around looking everywhere, hoping you find something."
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Looks like Shemp's a good candidate for the vacant Iraqi Minister of Information position!
 
Think of how odd it is that the Iraqi regime managed to steal away all their WMD, and yet twenty years ago they had weaponized WMD in sarin and other weapons that killed over 100,000 kurds in northern Iraq.

Iraq made a mistake by not hiding some of it, because to hide it all proved deception in and of itself. It would be like a military force coming into America and not finding nuclear weapons and Americans saying we never had any in this country.

That is how remarkable the Iraqi deception is and its roots are in France, components of the UN who were allied with Iraq through monetary incentives, and the sheer sophistication of the Iraqi intelligence and weapons development institutions.

The US will find Iraqi WMD, that I am certain, but it just goes to show that when the UN stalls the United States from trying to protect freedom, it gives enemy nation-states time to implement their deception.

Now Germany and France are saying not to lift the embargo against Iraq until the WMD is found. It is simply the most hilarious propaganda the world has witnessed since pre-WWII.

JK
 
Jedi Knight said:
Think of how odd it is that the Iraqi regime managed to steal away all their WMD, and yet twenty years ago they had weaponized WMD in sarin and other weapons that killed over 100,000 kurds in northern Iraq.

Iraq made a mistake by not hiding some of it, because to hide it all proved deception in and of itself. It would be like a military force coming into America and not finding nuclear weapons and Americans saying we never had any in this country.

That is how remarkable the Iraqi deception is and its roots are in France, components of the UN who were allied with Iraq through monetary incentives, and the sheer sophistication of the Iraqi intelligence and weapons development institutions.

The US will find Iraqi WMD, that I am certain, but it just goes to show that when the UN stalls the United States from trying to protect freedom, it gives enemy nation-states time to implement their deception.

Now Germany and France are saying not to lift the embargo against Iraq until the WMD is found. It is simply the most hilarious propaganda the world has witnessed since pre-WWII.

JK
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If you are saying that they should have left some out to create a degree of credability...I think you are absolutely right.

I also agree with you that stalling on the lifting of sanctions is posturing that the Iraqi people can well do without at this time.
 
Reginald said:


If you are saying that they should have left some out to create a degree of credability...I think you are absolutely right.

I also agree with you that stalling on the lifting of sanctions is posturing that the Iraqi people can well do without at this time.
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They did find some minor infractions. These were used as part of the justification for the war.
 
If anyone can find the weapons, Rumsfeld should be able to—after all, he's the one who sold them to Iraq! :eek:
 
shanek said:
If anyone can find the weapons, Rumsfeld should be able to—after all, he's the one who sold them to Iraq! :eek:
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Worth remembering history, so we aren't condemned to repeat it.
 
subgenius said:

Worth remembering history, so we aren't condemned to repeat it.
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As long as we're remembering correctly.

Which weapons did Rumsfeld sell to the Iraqis, exactly?
 
Cant sell the Iraqi Oil till sanctions are lifted right?

Cant the Coalition tap into the Iraqi frozen assests in the mean time. If they need capital for the people.
 
I don't think that it's completely unlikely that both Saddam and the Iraqi WMD are now in France. According to certain sources Germany and France are planning massive terrorist actions against the US.

Don't say you weren't warned.
 
aerocontrols said:


As long as we're remembering correctly.

Which weapons did Rumsfeld sell to the Iraqis, exactly?
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Its no big secret.

Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush sold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons and provided the technology for Saddam's chemical, biological and nuclear programs.

And:
Records reveal CDC sent germ strains to Iraq in 1980s

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Iraq's bioweapons program, which President Bush wants to eradicate, got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta sent samples to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s reveal. Iraq had ordered the samples, saying it needed them for legitimate medical research.
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The CDC and a biological sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including the West Nile virus.
The transfers were done in the 1980s, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran. They were detailed in a 1994 Senate banking committee report and a 1995 follow-up letter from the CDC to the Senate.
The exports were legal at the time and approved under a program administered by the Commerce Department.
"I don't think it would be accurate to say the United States government deliberately provided seed stocks to the Iraqis' biological weapons programs," said Jonathan Tucker, a former U.N. biological weapons inspector.
"But they did deliver samples that Iraq said had a legitimate public health purpose, which I think was naive to believe, even at the time."
The disclosures put the United States in the uncomfortable position of potentially having provided the key ingredients of the weapons it is considering waging war to destroy, said Sen. Robert C. Byrd, West Virginia Democrat. Mr. Byrd entered the documents into the Congressional Record this month.
Mr. Byrd asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld about the germ transfers at a recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. The senator noted that Mr. Rumsfeld met Saddam in 1983, when Mr. Rumsfeld was President Reagan's Middle East envoy.
"Are we, in fact, now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sown?" Mr. Byrd asked Mr. Rumsfeld after reading parts of an article in Newsweek magazine on the transfers.


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021001-8211716.htm
 
subgenius said:


Its no big secret.

Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush sold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons and provided the technology for Saddam's chemical, biological and nuclear programs.
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Really?

Hundreds of millions? Would that be 2 hundreds of millions?

I've seen no evidence that we sold them technology for chemical or nuclear, but I'm willing to see what evidence you have.

What evidence I've seen indicates that most of their nuclear, chemical, and bioweapons technology came from France and Germany, and most of their conventional military technology came from USSR, France, China, and various Warsaw Pact states.

"I don't think it would be accurate to say the United States government deliberately provided seed stocks to the Iraqis' biological weapons programs," said Jonathan Tucker, a former U.N. biological weapons inspector.
"But they did deliver samples that Iraq said had a legitimate public health purpose, which I think was naive to believe, even at the time."
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Not particularly damning, it appears to me.

MattJ
 
Maybe they cant find WMD cause there are none. Theyve been ordered to be destroyed, maybe they have been.
 
aerocontrols said:
As long as we're remembering correctly.

Which weapons did Rumsfeld sell to the Iraqis, exactly?
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The ones he used to gas the Kurds.
 
I wonder if we are going to get any more reply's from shemp on this?
 
shanek said:


Then you must have been living under a rock...It's not like anyone even tried to deny it!

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1230-04.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-528574,00.html
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E115%7E1186555,00.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/printable534798.shtml
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Denial is not a river in Eqypt. Sometimes you get tired of doing the research for those who would rather not know. I had posted a story and link in the post he responded to. Makes you wonder.
Like you say, it hasn't even been contested, just dismissed as "that was then, this is now", hindsight, or naivete.
 
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