Robert F. Kennedy Jr's Talks About Autism

Yahweh

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I was watching the Daily Show today, and it featured an interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his new book "Deadly Immunity".

To sum up, RFK believes vaccines cause autism, and that "Big Pharma" (his words, not mine) is trying to cover up the damaging data.

There is a story about it at RollingStone.com - Deadly Immunity:
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

I get the impression that this is just quackery, and if it is I'll send an email to Jon Stewart about it.
 
I think the best people who can answer this on the board are Eos and Hydrogen Cyanide. Check the Science section. They're normally there laying the smack on the whole vaccination = autism crap.
 
According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism.

This was covered to a degree on the science board a few weeks back - can't seem to find it just now.

It is interesting to see the spin put on the report of Verstraeten. He initially published a report that appeared suggestive of a link (between autism and thimerosal), then later he published a further analysis showing no evidence for or against an association
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14595043&query_hl=4
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/112/5/1039

This second study was taken by "pro-vaccinationists" as showing there was no link (which is not quite the same as saying there was no evidence for a link). Antivaccinationists criticised this study because it seemed to negate the link that was suggested with his first study, and they also were suspicious that this study was published after Verstraeten left the CDC and joined Glaxo Smith Kline (IE, Big Pharma).

However, Verstraeten answers both these allegations in this publication:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/113/4/932

Nowhere in it does it suggest, as the OP quote suggests, that he found a link.
 
Yahweh said:
I was watching the Daily Show today, and it featured an interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his new book "Deadly Immunity".

To sum up, RFK believes vaccines cause autism, and that "Big Pharma" (his words, not mine) is trying to cover up the damaging data.

There is a story about it at RollingStone.com - Deadly Immunity:


I get the impression that this is just quackery, and if it is I'll send an email to Jon Stewart about it.

I am thoroughly depressed that Jon Stewart didn't jump all over this guy for throwing conspiracy theory everywhere. Why didn't he just call him on his bullsh**?
 
I was very disappointed, as well. It's not as though I consider The Daily Show my be-all, end-all source for news, but having watched other interviews, I'd grown to respect Jon Stewart as a very intelligent individual. I'm surprised and a bit disgusted that he was buying into it.

But I still love the show.
 
LostAngeles said:
I think the best people who can answer this on the board are Eos and Hydrogen Cyanide. Check the Science section. They're normally there laying the smack on the whole vaccination = autism crap.

Let me be the devil's advocate here, and mention that RFK Jr's quarrel is not with vaccines themselves but the thimerosal preservative thing that contains mercury in some form (which he claims causes autism etc).

I saw the bit on the Daily Show too, and Jon being a nice guy, was also saying something along the lines of "How can you tell your message without turning the general public against vaccines altogether". And man, I couldn't stand RFK's shaky voice. Was he sick or really stressed or is this his normal speech?
 
I was a bit disappointed too, but my impression was that Stewart was skeptical and doing what he could to raise questions. I just don't think he had the background to take this guy on in the face of such declarations that the scientific evidence was "overwhelming."

On the other hand, Stewart demolished Bernard Goldberg last week who was there to plug his book "100 People Who are Ruining America". It was something to see.
 
The original thread is here

It was a pity that Stewart gave him a free ride, but I guess he doesn't know enough about it and didn't feel like arguing with Kennedy. I've noticed people on the left admire Kennedy and can't seem to accept he might be wrong on anything. Incidentally, I wrote a satirical piece giving Kennedy a dose of his own treatment. The quotes are verbatim from the interview, but of course taken totally out of context (as Kennedy did in his Salon piece).
 

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