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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

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This is a continuation of this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176799

The original thread was closed due to size. For continuity of discussion, the last 3 pages were split from the original thread and appear here.
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LordEd said:
Is there documented proof showing that there is a link between Menard and Thatcher?
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July 8, 2011:

Thatcher had his first run-in with the law in Kamloops in 2007, which cost him four days in jail, she said. After that, he had a conversation with well-known freeman Robert Menard, who sold him an $800 document that indicated how he could fight the law more effectively.
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ETA: It must be noted that after Menard had conned Lance out of $800, in order to "empower Lance to fight the law more effectively", and after Lance had been sent to a psychiatric ward then prison, Menard distanced himself and played the usual "I sold the rubbish but it's not my fault it was believed" filth.

There are 230 pages here devoted to exposing Menard as a conman.
Not that discussion is even necessary, he's so damned awful at being a conman that it's now just a comedy show.
 
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Clear external links of evidence and it didn't take years.

Were any of you in terror that I would attempt to destroy you on failure to answer these questions?
 
LordEd said:
Clear external links of evidence and it didn't take years.

Were any of you in terror that I would attempt to destroy you on failure to answer these questions?
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Yes. Terrified. Menard and his cupboard full of socks terrify everyone.

The only thing terrifying about Menard is his absolute stupidity.

/NoteToMods - He is no longer a JREF member.
 
ComfySlippers said:
There are 230 pages here devoted to exposing Menard as a conman.
Not that discussion is even necessary, he's so damned awful at being a conman that it's now just a comedy show.
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True, which makes it very difficult to find the information. Since Thatcher is in the news, it seemed relevant to ensure there was a solid link between him and Rob.

Is there anything where Rob indicates what went 'wrong'? I see you can find a series of stories where it documents his loss including loss of freedom and house due to his beliefs.

I wonder what answers a freeman board would provide to these questions?
 
LordEd said:
...Is there anything where Rob indicates what went 'wrong'? ...I see you can find a series of stories where it documents his loss including loss of freedom and house due to his beliefs.

I wonder what answers a freeman board would provide to these questions?
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From DIf, before Menard was banned for posting fraudulent claims:

Lance is a grown man, and follows not my advice, but his own path. But that truth does not allow you to denigrate me, which is your ONLY goal here on this forum, and has been since day one. It also highlights how YOU personally cannot seem to grasp the concept of personal responsibility. Do you think that people are under my spell, and are mindless automatons incapable of forming their own opinions and decisions? That is the only thing which could support your position. Now that Lance has been found fit for trial, you can't blame me for selling to someone who is unwell, can you? So if he is not unwell, or well enough to stand trial, is he not well enough to form his own opinions and beliefs? Is he not well enough to be responsible for his own actions? If he is, why do you seek to put this on me?
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ETA: FOTL-Waffle-101; Always answer with a string of childish questions that make you look like a moron.

ETA2: Hadn't read that for long while. Not just a conman but a despicable low-life who will con any gullible or vulnerable person if it pays for his drugs and beer.
 
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also
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1060084478&postcount=476
What makes you think that he is following my advice and did not make his own decisions? What makes you think the words I spoke to him, which you are not a party to, qualify as advice, or that he is following my suggestions, or that what I did suggest was wrong? Considering you are fully and completely in the dark on what was said, HOW CAN YOU EVEN CLAIM WHAT I SAID WAS WRONG? OR THAT HE IS 'FOLLOWING' IT?

Based on my memory of what I told him, he is not following a path I described at all. As a matter of fact, him being on probation and breaching that goes directly against the things I have taught. It is a breach of an agreement. But that truth does not allow you to place blame on me, so you reject it even though it makes far more sense.
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What makes you think that he is following my advice and did not make his own decisions? What makes you think the words I spoke to him, which you are not a party to, qualify as advice, or that he is following my suggestions, or that what I did suggest was wrong? Considering you are fully and completely in the dark on what was said, HOW CAN YOU EVEN CLAIM WHAT I SAID WAS WRONG? OR THAT HE IS 'FOLLOWING' IT?

Based on my memory of what I told him, he is not following a path I described at all. As a matter of fact, him being on probation and breaching that goes directly against the things I have taught. It is a breach of an agreement. But that truth does not allow you to place blame on me, so you reject it even though it makes far more sense.
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Ah. All sorted. So you refunded the $800 Rob?
 
LordEd said:
Clear external links of evidence and it didn't take years.

Were any of you in terror that I would attempt to destroy you on failure to answer these questions?
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Petrified.
 
Is there a law in Canada against taking advantage of mentally disturbed people?
 
LordEd said:
Clear external links of evidence and it didn't take years.

Were any of you in terror that I would attempt to destroy you on failure to answer these questions?
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ComfySlippers said:
From DIf, before Menard was banned for posting fraudulent claims:

"Lance is a grown man, and follows not my advice, but his own path. But that truth does not allow you to denigrate me, which is your ONLY goal here on this forum, and has been since day one. It also highlights how YOU personally cannot seem to grasp the concept of personal responsibility. Do you think that people are under my spell, and are mindless automatons incapable of forming their own opinions and decisions? That is the only thing which could support your position. Now that Lance has been found fit for trial, you can't blame me for selling to someone who is unwell, can you? So if he is not unwell, or well enough to stand trial, is he not well enough to form his own opinions and beliefs? Is he not well enough to be responsible for his own actions? If he is, why do you seek to put this on me?"

ETA: FOTL-Waffle-101; Always answer with a string of childish questions that make you look like a moron.

ETA2: Hadn't read that for long while. Not just a conman but a despicable low-life who will con any gullible or vulnerable person if it pays for his drugs and beer.
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Like a ten year old liar confronted with the truth Menard never answers, never states the facts. He simply asks questions. This is the same ruse freemen, like Clifford, use at traffic stops. For the first few stops I am sure the cops where surprised that anybody could ask so many questions and talk such gibberish.

But they are wise to the freemen game now, as are we.

Menard thinks asking questions presumes a sort of authority and that answering them is a sign of submission. That’s why he won’t give a straight answer to any question, whether asked by JB at the very beginning of this thread, by a cop, or even a clarifying question asked by a minion.

The real reason he won’t answer is because every tough question is a replay of his daddy grilling him about some childhood misdeed.

That's why he won't tell anybody where the freeman money went!

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Dope Clock update: It is day 77 since Fez Boy filed his magic freeman court papers and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.
 
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I was thinking. Maybe New Westminster should hold a road check somewhere around the Heritage Grill for a few hours. They might have some interesting successes in eliminating unlicensed and/or uninsured drivers.

Especially after a certain event, when their minds have been built up into certain beliefs.

ETA: Classroom lessons are good, but the real world experience is the most important part.
 
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LordEd said:
Classroom lessons are good, but the real world experience is the most important part.
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Along that lines you have to wonder if the RCMP was well aware of Dean Clifford, his whacky theories and had even watched his YouTubes.

If that’s the case they would have been well prepared for his endless rambling, questions.

They also would have been aware that even the most harmless traffic stop would have resulted in Clifford failing to produce a driver’s license, registration and insurance.

Clifford’s physical assault on the officer and his impersonation of a police officer were just added charges heaped on and perfectly reasonable justification for slapping the cuffs on another out of control freeman.

By the way, it looks like he is going to miss his pod cast, scheduled for today, which was to cover "How to deal with the police".

Ironic, ain’t it?

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Hey, Bubba, what’s that truck doing there, eh? Spinning around?

Oh, look at the plates! It’s the big red dog guy, Clifford!

Cut the comedy. This means we gotta’ listen to half hour of this guy’s BS before we ticket him.
 
I'm not so sure; see this incident from just a week before, where he got (yet another) truck towed away. The cops explicitly say they've never encountered or heard about any of his Freeman moonspeak before, and they even humor him for twenty minutes before getting him out of the truck. Once again, Canadian cops are shown to be excessively patient.

I typically don't listen to these things but it was totally worth it for "For the record no one is wearing their hats; they refuse to wear their hats." [At 26min]
 
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I'm not so sure; see this incident from just a week before, where he got (yet another) truck towed away. The cops explicitly say they've never encountered or heard about any of his Freeman moonspeak before, and they even humor him for twenty minutes before getting him out of the truck. Once again, Canadian cops are shown to be excessively patient.

I typically don't listen to these things but it was totally worth it for "For the record no one is wearing their hats; they refuse to wear their hats." [At 26min]
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Followed shortly by "I will be filing a complaint with the military...being Her Majesty's Armed Forces" and a little later by questioning why the RCMP "synonym" doesn't have periods between the letters like it should. (I think he may have them there - imposters!).

Totally comedy gold.

Still, Clifford deserves more respect (or less disrespect) than Menard for actually having the courage of his convictions. Menard just cons patsies into "travelling" without license/reg/insurance, usually after squeezing some dope money out of them first.
 
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