RNC chair Mehlman says -

Magyar

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US is unigue because we recognize that
"freedom is a GIFT from God to mankind"
"and the fundamental right of freedom comes from
GOD NOT from Govt."

Funny, I had this silly, silly notion that the founding fathers with all their failures had something to do with it, and at the time
EVERY Christian authority - namely the church of england and the catholic church condemned the US constitution as the work of the devil and against the order of GOD. I distinctly remember reading something along those lines from the Pope upon receiving a copy of the document.

Tell me again why this doesn't spell
at least a move towards favoring a theocracy
if not an outright agenda to do so!

By the way isn't Mehlman gay? I wonder how he reconciles the idea that god would grant the country freedom (and implicit in that statement is that no other govt. on earth is actually free or for freedom) but he's condemned to eternal hell fire.
 
Magyar said:
US is unigue because we recognize that
"freedom is a GIFT from God to mankind"
"and the fundamental right of freedom comes from
GOD NOT from Govt."

Funny, I had this silly, silly notion that the founding fathers with all their failures had something to do with it, and at the time
EVERY Christian authority - namely the church of england and the catholic church condemned the US constitution as the work of the devil and against the order of GOD. I distinctly remember reading something along those lines from the Pope upon receiving a copy of the document.

Tell me again why this doesn't spell
at least a move towards favoring a theocracy
if not an outright agenda to do so!

He's loosely paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence, that's all. It states that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. They didn't say God, per se, but it is a nod to some higher authority (be it nature, God, Vishnu, Allah, or whatever freaky space god the Mormons worship).

The statement itself is nothing more than poorly-executed and completely transparent spin on one of the most crtiritcal thoughts behind the Declaration of Independence - that people are due their rights just because they're people, not because the government or king or any other human authority "gives" them.

Technically, the statement is correct in that rights do not come from the government. Whether they come from any particular god - is debatable.

By the way isn't Mehlman gay? I wonder how he reconciles the idea that god would grant the country freedom (and implicit in that statement is that no other govt. on earth is actually free or for freedom) but he's condemned to eternal hell fire.

I think you're reading too much into it. I don't know the guy so I don't know what he means when he says "God." A Christian God? Jewish? Muslim? Hindu? Buddhist? Freaky-Space-God-Worshipping-Mormons? Some personal interpretation of the creator? Nature? All would be equally correct in assigning rights to their choice of diety, IMHO. If he's a bible-thumping fundamentalist then I would have deeper questions about his judgment than just where he spends his Sunday mornings!

The founding fathers were more concerned with churches (i.e., organized religions) than with religious thought itself. That's the crux behind the first amendment forbidding the establishment of "a" state church or government oppressing churches. It's a hands-off policy to the insitutions, not the concepts.

In any event, this is not a move to theocracy. It's someone execrising his first amendment rights is all.

Having said that, I'll gird my loins for the inevitable hail of abuse from our ironically holier-than-thou athiest delegation.
 
Jacko, I do/would agree with you on the principals behind the statements and intentions.

But given this administations history and the current grip of the
RNC by the buybull thumping cristo-fascists any statement made by leaders of said party peratining to the intervention and or importance of god HAS to be taken quit seriously!
 
Magyar said:
Jacko, I do/would agree with you on the principals behind the statements and intentions.

But given this administations history and the current grip of the
RNC by the buybull thumping cristo-fascists any statement made by leaders of said party peratining to the intervention and or importance of god HAS to be taken quit seriously!

Sorry, from your OP it seemed like you were looking for a discussion, not just a reflection of your own obvious paranoia. Since your mind is obviously made up, I'll take my leave of you.
 

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