Ritual Circumcision Process includes Blood Sucking

[materia3]

Of course we all know about orthodox jewish ritual circumcision practices but up to now many did did not know that the special rabbi who performs the procedure drinks the infants blood directly...I will skip the details but refer you to the following article. There are more on Google news if you enter Rabbi Fischer's name.

This is beyond comprehension. I am not sure where this belongs: social issues (lst choice), the religion or the science forum so I will place this here. I have just lost all respect for so-called jewish hygienic "laws." This puts them all into disrepute. yuck.

But my question is ...er, is the practice referred to below protected under the constitution? If so, we need a new constitution.

'Metzizah bi peh'

The use of suction to remove the blood is addressed in the Talmud. Some Jews interpret it to mean a mohel should use his mouth to suck the blood.

Talmud, Shabos, Page 133: "You are permitted to do all necessary acts for circumcision on the Shabos; removal of the foreskin, removal of the mucus layer underneath, apply suction, and place a bandage containing herbs."

The bris

The Jewish circumcision ritual is the cutting of the male foreskin, symbolizing the covenant between God and the Jewish people.

It is usually done by a mohel, a rabbi trained in circumcision. Hasidic and some other Jews use a mohel who uses his mouth to suck the blood from the wound caused by cutting the baby's foreskin.


By STEVE LIEBERMAN

THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: February 3, 2005)

A lawyer for the Monsey Hasidic rabbi suspected of transmitting a fatal case of herpes to a baby boy during a circumcision said yesterday that the practice of suctioning blood orally is thousands of years old and integral to the religion.

But one local scholar said such unsanitized rituals actually violated Jewish law. Another rabbi saw the case as outsiders frowning on Hasidic traditions.

Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer is being investigated by New York City health officials after a baby died of herpes, and two others contracted the disease.

Fischer, a mohel in Rockland, the metropolitan area and Israel, uses his mouth to suck the blood from the wound caused by cutting the baby's foreskin. The centuries-old ritual, called "metzizah bi peh," is used predominantly by Hasidic Jews, who consider the practice mandatory for newborns.

More at:

http://www.nynews.com/newsroom/020305/a0103rabbinew.html

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

It's nice to see an ancient ritual includes an initial BJ ....

Charlie (the check is in the mail and ..) Monoxide

 

[H3LL]

I fail to understand why mutilation of any non-consenting human is acceptable in a civilized society.

 

[Brian]

I fail to understand why mutilation of any non-consenting human is acceptable in a civilized society.

To expand on this... unnecessary surgery, on healthy tissue, on an infant!
1 complication in 1,000,000 is one to many.

 

[H3LL]

To expand on this... unnecessary surgery, on healthy tissue, on an infant!
1 complication in 1,000,000 is one to many.

The figures are unclear:

Invariably, the indirect, involuntary cause is given all the blame, and the decision to circumcise, none. So circumcision continues to be promoted as "safe" and babies continue to die.

The suicide of David Reimer after a ruined life was ultimately due to his botched, unnecessary circumcision.

Doctors Opposing Circumcision (D.O.C.)

Circumcision is an unethical, non-therapeutic procedure the child does not need and would not likely have chosen for himself.

.....a large, 9 pound (4 thousand gram) male infant can die of hypovolemic shock with the loss of as little as 2.3oz (68ml) of blood,

 

[kimiko]

Doctors Opposing Circumcision (D.O.C.)
Circumcision is an unethical, non-therapeutic procedure the child does not need and would not likely have chosen for himself.

It's weird when people object to things on behalf of children using 'the child wouldn't choose it' as an explanation. The child can't choose either way. Isn't it logical enough that the procedure is unnecessary, there are possible complications, and that the child may regret it when they become older?

 

[The Fool]

This form of genital mutilation is also still quite popular in Australia. Supposedly on hygiene grounds....not something I'm proud of, is it particularly difficult to get male children to keep thier penis clean?
I had a mother tell me that she had her sons done because Dad had been done and she didn't want the children to be "different"...lucky she didn't marry a guy with one leg.

 

[El Greco]

Circumcision should be illegal. Parents and doctors should be prosecuted.

 

[H3LL]

It's weird when people object to things on behalf of children using 'the child wouldn't choose it' as an explanation.

They didn't say "the child wouldn't choose it", they said "would not likely have chosen".

This is based on the evidence that very few adult men with a healthy foreskin choose circumcision¹, the vast majority choose to stay intact.

Circumcision in US adult males for medical reasons is about 1 in 100,000².


1 - Wallerstein, E., Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy (New York: Springer Publishing, 1980), 48.

2 - Denniston, G., “First, Do No Harm,” The Truth Seeker, July/August 1989, 35-8; American Academy of Pediatrics, Task Force on Circumcision, "Circumcision Policy Statement," Pediatrics 103 (1999): 686-693.

 

[H3LL]

This form of genital mutilation is also still quite popular in Australia. Supposedly on hygiene grounds....not something I'm proud of, is it particularly difficult to get male children to keep thier penis clean?

Myth without evidence. The reverse is more often the case. So sad.

Circumcision risks: The rate of complications occurring in the hospital and during the first year has been documented as high as 38% and includes hemorrhage, infection, surgical injury, and in rare cases, death.

Cleanliness: The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says that "there is little evidence to affirm the association between circumcision status and optimal penile hygiene." "The uncircumcised penis is easy to keep clean. . . . Caring for your son's uncircumcised penis requires no special action. . . . Foreskin retraction should never be forced."

 

[H3LL]

Circumcision should be illegal. Parents and doctors should be prosecuted.

Agreed. The laws are in place to do so. No one bothers. Me included.

 

[AWPrime]

I would like to see it become illegal, but then we would get problems and be accused of racisme.....

 

[demon]

Those damn Muslims, isn`t there anything they won`t stoop to?

 

[webfusion]

islam also follows circumcision ritual

• Those damn Muslims, isn`t there anything they won`t stoop to?

----- a non-sequiter.
(demon trying to be funny I guess)

http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/circ_world.html#cworld3
"For both Jews and Muslims the practice of circumcision has a great religious significance."

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Mainly in the U.S.A. Anti-circumcision groups and organizations that have formed over the past twenty five years. They write books, appear on talk shows, protest outside of doctor's offices and medical establishments, spend countless hours writing letters to politicians, newspapers, magazines and medical groups.

So it's no big surprise that these people have also saturated the Internet with their own, many times, fanatical points of view containing much misinformation regarding medical, sexual and psychological aspects of circumcision. Over the past ten years there have been many studies showing advantages to this procedure which, of course, created a major panic among anti-circumcision groups and individuals.

Now, more than ever, they are trying to turn the world against this procedure, and condemn any doctor or lay person who speaks in favour of it.

 

[AWPrime]

"For both Jews and Muslims the practice of circumcision has a great religious significance."

But that doesn't mean it is a good practice.

Or that we should consider their feelings.

 

[geni]

Re: islam also follows circumcision ritual

Now, more than ever, they are trying to turn the world against this procedure, and condemn any doctor or lay person who speaks in favour of it.

To be fair the groups in favor appear to be doing exactly the same.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by The Fool
I had a mother tell me that she had her sons done because Dad had been done and she didn't want the children to be "different"...lucky she didn't marry a guy with one leg.

One has to wonder why it is that you're going about asking mothers about their childrens penisis?

 

[geni]

One has to wonder why it is that you're going about asking mothers about their childrens penisis?

So you don't lurk at mu nu then?

 

[Mycroft]

So you don't lurk at mu nu then?

Not for a long time. Does he do it there too?

 

[geni]

Not for a long time. Does he do it there too?

The reason listed by the fool was the reason given by one of the mu nu regulars for circumciseing their children.