Richard Gage on CSPAN

He lied and pushed his web site, the host read NIST, which debunked Gage. The callers, the two I heard were 911 truth idiots who believe in thermite and other BS.

Gage says 1 2 and 7 are CD, but especially 7.

Gage says thermite and high explosives did the towers. The silent explosives are being used, he claims the loud noises reported were high explosives, but ignores the sounds were not from explosives.

Gage lets the chips fall where they may, as he rakes in 500k/yr, and buys those new suits.

He has no theory on why, how, or who did it - he wants a new investigation, which would ruin his scam.

How often does C-SPAN host idiots like Gage.
 
beachnut said:
Gage lets the chips fall where they may, as he rakes in 500k/yr, and buys those new suits.

He has no theory on why, how, or who did it - he wants a new investigation, which would ruin his scam...
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The last thing he wants is a "New Investigation". Which is probably the reason for initiatives like the "Pepper Letter" nonsense.

I doubt that he is clever enough for it but...

...IF I was a cynic I would suggest that he sends people like T Sz here in the same time frame as sending the Pepper letter - so that we can show him - through T Sz - how full of holes his claims are. THEN - assured that it will fail - he sends the Pepper letter being assured that it is full of holes, that it will lose and that he will:
A) Not get a new Investigation; AND
B) He will be able to protest more about the evil powers that be that deny the investigation.

...but I'm not that cynical; ;)
...and I don't think he is that clever. :rolleyes:

and I could be wrong on both those. :D
 
ozeco41 said:
The last thing he wants is a "New Investigation".
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That's a standard conspiracy ploy. You call for something that, on its face, seems quite reasonable, but which you know from your acquaintance with the fine dynamics of the situation will never occur. That lets you go on and on indefinitely demanding a "new investigation" and complaing about being stonewalled by the evil powers that be.
 
JayUtah said:
That's a standard conspiracy ploy. You call for something that, on its face, seems quite reasonable, but which you know from your acquaintance with the fine dynamics of the situation will never occur. That lets you go on and on indefinitely demanding a "new investigation" and complaing about being stonewalled by the evil powers that be.
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Yes.

If I take my cynicism one stage further:

That is probably why AE911 built its strategy on the premise of CD at WTC. Because that was known to be a loser when AE911 adopted the strategy.

...and again I'm assuming a bit of modest level cunning which may not be there. :o
 
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WTC 7 becomes a way to trick people.

Gage can say, "did you know a third building fell on 911". They say no, and Gage has the BS start to hook people to listen to his failed claims. Richard Gage can Gish Gallop them to death, they are unarmed with the latest research, and have not read the reports.
 
I heard Gage live and enjoyed it. Gage did well. He was articulate. The callers were all Truthers. He got asked softball questions by CSPAN. He made many rapid fire, unsubstantiated statements, many which had obvious rebuttals that were not provided. I'm fine with that. CSPAN isn't a debate forum.

It does appear that he actually believes what he peddles. I had thought he was a con man. Instead, it appears he is willfully ignorant.

There is at least one huge ethical problem. Gage surely knows that he does not have the support of 2200 architects and engineers--there are not 2200 on his list--and he must be aware that he does not represent those on the list as he claims. Most of the names on the list are of people signing a petition absent any technical analysis or use of their professional knowledge, not people requesting that Gage represent them. Yet he made the 2200 claim several times on the show.

In my experience calling names on his 2200 list, many people on the list are unreachable or the phone number provided didn't match the name. This list, like everything else Gage does, is unaudited.

I was surprised the interviewer didn't ask why Gage has not hired an engineering and demolition firm to assist him in making his engineering and demolition claims, especially on national TV. Or why he has no civil engineering professionals willing to actively support him with technical analysis (as opposed to providing a name on a petition).

I would have like to have heard this challenge: Gage controls the outcome of all his research and investigations. There is never an independent review of papers written or claims made. There is never contact with any independent professional organization of any kind.
 
frank3373 said:
There is at least one huge ethical problem. Gage surely knows that he does not have the support of 2200 architects and engineers--there are not 2200 on his list--and he must be aware that he does not represent those on the list as he claims. Most of the names on the list are of people signing a petition absent any technical analysis or use of their professional knowledge, not people requesting that Gage represent them. Yet he made the 2200 claim several times on the show.
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Not sure how you arrive at your opinion here, but it's completely wrong, and this has even been discussed on this forum.


In my experience calling names on his 2200 list, many people on the list are unreachable or the phone number provided didn't match the name. This list, like everything else Gage does, is unaudited.
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How many people did you call? How many times did you call the "unreachable" people"? And where did you get their phone numbers from? :rolleyes:


Or why he has no civil engineering professionals willing to actively support him with technical analysis (as opposed to providing a name on a petition).
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There are plenty of civil engineers who have signed the petition. You somehow missed all those? They know exactly what they're signing because it's written in plain English. And there is a verification team that checks out their information.

Your ideas here are completely misinformed. This has already been discussed ad nauseum.
 
Nice straw-clutching, ergo.

Gage's 2200 includes Landscape Engineers and Landscape Architects, chemical engineers, to name a few, and not to mention numerous students.

2200 is not a number to be taken seriously.
 
The idiots who signed Gage's fake petition, have no clue what happened on 911. Gage said in his talk, he has no clue; no idea who, what, or how 911 was done. (he claim for sure, CD, thermite and high explosives)
Ironically Gage has plagiarized pilots for truth, "offer no theory" BS stand.

Lucky for most 911 truth cult members, a little knowledge, and thinking for themselves, instant cure.

Gage's lies backed with overwhelming evidence no one can find. Why does he need a new investigation since he knows it was CD, thermite, and high explosives? lol, what a great no progress scam
 
beachnut said:
The idiots who signed Gage's fake petition, have no clue what happened on 911. Gage said in his talk, he has no clue; no idea who, what, or how 911 was done. (he claim for sure, CD, thermite and high explosives)
Ironically Gage has plagiarized pilots for truth, "offer no theory" BS stand.

Lucky for most 911 truth cult members, a little knowledge, and thinking for themselves, instant cure.

Gage's lies backed with overwhelming evidence no one can find. Why does he need a new investigation since he knows it was CD, thermite, and high explosives? lol, what a great no progress scam
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Beachy... I think many people who fall for 911 truth are NOT technically up to snuff, or willfully in denial because of an over riding distrust of the US government. They are all not idiots... just as all people who are followers of various religions are "idiots". Religions, like cults and 9/11 truth are "belief systems" which are not rationally based. It makes no sense to call all people who are "believers" in non rationally based "belief systems"... Instead they are suspending rational thinking for some other "emotional/psychological" motive.

The troubling aspect of this is the denial of fact and rational thinking and clinging to the irrational. Probably a fair amount can't even evaluate the merits of the technical arguments and resort to following what they believe are experts to do the thinking for them. Of course they can't tell if their experts know what they are talking about and this is how they go down the rabbit hole... by following *false prophets*. The arguments APPEAR to be rational... but they are not as the premises are often wrong.

9/11 is a lesson in critical thinking and mass psychology no matter which side of this you are on.
 
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Gage made a good presentation in an amazingly friendly format on national cable TV. I disagree with every technical point he made but hey, that's no surprise.
 
chrismohr said:
Gage made a good presentation in an amazingly friendly format on national cable TV. I disagree with every technical point he made but hey, that's no surprise.
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That's what he does (it's his job).

The interesting thing here is the lengths the "main stream media" will go to try and invent a story.

If this fails to generate a flood of more programs such as this, this lead will again be proven dead. MSM makes their money by (hopefully) stirring up a controversy. "Truthers" claim the MSM will not cover their "truth". The problem is really, no one is interested in their fantasy.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Nice straw-clutching, ergo.

Gage's 2200 includes Landscape Engineers and Landscape Architects, chemical engineers, to name a few, and not to mention numerous students.
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You do like to bring up the landscape architects a lot. There must be a lot of landscape architects on that list for you guys to talk about it as much as you do. Just how many are there? Hundreds? What's the ratio of landscape architects to structural or building architects? Surely, with all your various analyses of that list, you folks have this data.


2200 is not a number to be taken seriously.
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For someone who doesn't take it seriously, you sure spend a lot of time conjecturing about it. :rolleyes:
 
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Question...can someone have their name removed from the petition?

ergo...if you carefully go thru the petition, you will see there are not a lot of Civil (Structural) Engineers who have signed it...that's the key number.
 
MileHighMadness said:
ergo...if you carefully go thru the petition, you will see there are not a lot of Civil (Structural) Engineers who have signed it...that's the key number.
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Really? I see lots. Fourteen in the first two pages alone. And I see lots of other credentials relevant to an understanding of structural design and behaviour. What knowledge do you have?
 
I haven't watched the video yet, but is it me or has time not been friendly to him? I admit the architecture career can sometimes be stressful enough to make us age a few extra years faster but he looks like he's been through the ringer several times.
 
ergo said:
Really? I see lots. Fourteen in the first two pages alone. And I see lots of other credentials relevant to an understanding of structural design and behaviour. What knowledge do you have?
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I have a BS/MS in Civil Engineering from Purdue University. I'm a licensed PE/SE in numinous states. I have designed some multi-story steel buildings, but bridge design is my first love.

BTW...according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are over 272,000 Civil Engineers working the US.
 
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