Response to 10-23 Homeopathy Overdose

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So in today's edition of NaturalNews, the author responds to some of the 10-23 demonstrations against homeopathy.

I really love these two quotes, in particular:

Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage!

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But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance.
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It's a resonance? I never heard that before.

He goes on. His explanation of particle physics is quite interesting:

For now, they've all convinced themselves that electrons are -- get this -- tiny "particles" flying around atomic nuclei and tremendous speeds which just happen to stay in their little orbits like little perpetual motion machines (which they say are impossible), until all of a sudden, these electron "particles" inexplicably leap to a higher or lower orbit without occupying the space in-between those orbits at any moment. Yep, magic teleporting particles! That's the "scientific" explanation of these folks. No wonder so many of them are magicians: Believing their explanations requires that you believe in particle magic!
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Yeah. Most magicians believe in his definition of magic.

Unfortunately people believe his swill. :(

I subscribed to this newsletter because some people I love and care about were passing a copy of it around one night, and agreeing with what it said. (On a different subject, but equally idiotic.)

He also challenges "homeopathy skeptics" to take any traditional medicine the way they took the homeopathic medicine. They won't, he says, because they KNOW IT WILL HARM YOU!!! Oh Heavens!!

Um, yeah, they know it actually does something. Unlike your "resonance"-based water. What if I'm not vibrating at the same wavelength? Am I SOL?
 
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NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger".

I wonder if his followers realise he lives in Colombia (that's Colombia, the woe begotten lawless country in South America), to avoid lawsuits from people and companies in the USA who he regularly defames, etc. It's long been known it isn't the homeopathic remedies he is imbibing that make him talk like that. It's other, more potent, Colombian plant products...! ;)

From his own website:
The NaturalNews Network is owned and operated by Truth Publishing International, Ltd., a Taiwan corporation.
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I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all.
 
It's funny of course ... but still one has to shake one's head in disbelief that such widespread gullibility is rife.
 
Homeopathy, you see, isn't a drug. It's not a chemical. So you can drink all you want and you won't overdose on it. That's not a defect in homeopathy -- it's a remarkable advantage!
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However, that it does nothing at all is a much more parsimonious explanation. Now, how to we separate homeopathic theory from the theory it does nothing at all?

I know, let's test it!


But homeopathy isn't a chemical. It's a resonance. A vibration, or a harmony. It's the restructuring of water to resonate with the particular energy of a plant or substance.
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I follow what I like to call as "Randi's Rule", or "Before you bother explaining something, first show the phenomenon even exists." This has been done over and over, showing Fail. Homeopathy has no effect beyond placebo.
 
Zep said:
NaturalNews? That would be known kook, insane-asylum escapee and lawsuit-dodger "Health Ranger".
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Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams:

Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy.
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link


:D
 
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welshdean said:
I've never been a believer in homoeopathy, but that might now be changing. You see I only read a little of his article but it made my brain hurt a lot. There may be something in it after all.
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I hope that you're joking. Arhosa sane,bachgen.
 
Emet said:
Science-Based Medicine wrote about Mike Adams:
Mike Adams, as regular readers may know, runs the website NaturalNews.com from deep in the jungles of Ecuador. His website is a one-stop shop, a repository if you will, of virtually every quackery known to humankind, all slathered with a heaping, helping of unrelenting hostility to science-based medicine and science in general. True, Mike Adams is not as big as, say, Joe Mercola, whose website, as far as I can tell, appears to draw more traffic than NaturalNews.com, but what Adams lacks in fame he makes up for in sheer crazy.
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Damn it! I remembered the wrong backward, lawless, drug-raddled South American tin-pot republic for Health Ranger!

Note to self: Must care less.
 
George152 said:
As I understand it homeopathetic can and does cure thirst
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A valid point - although it should be noted that there are natural cures to this ailment that are, quite often, a far cheaper alternative.

Also, certain homeophatic remedies are also known to cure sobriety.
 
Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ;)).
 
Zep said:
Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ;)).
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Maybe Homeopathy works better the less you take?

Oh wait ...
 
nvidiot said:
Heck it cant even claim that! That particular malady is incurable and any relief provided (by anything really) is only temporary. :p
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Well, actually, if you only ingest homeopathic amounts of the remedy, then in a few days the problem will go away permantently. It's the overdosing that makes the problem return.
 
Zep said:
Actually, a standard homeopathioc remedy dose will NOT even cure thirst. It is usually only one drop, and that once or twice a day at most (it's "powerful stuff"! ;)).
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And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient.
 
Mojo said:
And the drop has usually been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill that is then given to the patient.
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Well, not really.

It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure.

But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all.

Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory).

It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent.

PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think.

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Well, not really.

It's been allowed to evaporate from a sugar pill, sure.

But then that pill has been put in a bottle with hundreds of other plain sugar pills which are all shaken together to "transfer the memory" of the remedy to them all.

Then that bottle is allowed to stand next to another bottle of blank pills for a while, to transfer the memory once again to the second bottle. In some cases, it is also possible to transfer the memory via telephone or even the internet (Beneviste's ultimate theory).

It is a pill from this second bottle that is considered the most potent.

PS. Lurkers, I'm NOT kidding! This is how homeopaths really do think.

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Can you give a reference for that please?
 
rjh01 said:
Can you give a reference for that please?
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http://www.alternativetherapyadvice.com/alternative_therapy/remedies_alternative.htm

Ah! A question!! You don't got it, but a good guess!

There are two ways of doing "grafts" with remedies: wet grafting and dry grafting.

With WET grafting, you take one or more granules (30th potency or above), and add a bit of alcohol, then fill the vial with new (blank) granules. The new granules take on the potency of the original, i.e., if you use a 1M globule, the new vial will be a 1M.

With DRY grafting, you just wait until your bottle has only a few granules left, and then add more granules-- without using alcohol.

Many of the older homeopaths would dry graft remedies by just refilling the bottle when it got low.

Dry grafting was first mentioned in the 1830s by Korsakov, the Russian homeopath.

A conversation could be like this:
Homeopath 1: "Hi. I'm looking for a CM of Sanicula. Have any?"
Homeopath 2: "Yes, I do. I'll send a bottle your way."

and Homeopath 2 would dry graft a small vial of blanks with one or two granules of the CM Sanicula, and mail it off.
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http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopathy-list-discussion/3412-grafts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory#Subsequent_research
 
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