This is insanity. You guys are still convinced this ACORN thing is part of some elaborate conspiarcy rather than even the possiblity it could have any merit whatsoever. Unbelievable. It's obvious we will never be able to address real issues of voter fraud, ever, becuase it'll just be deny, deny deny.. or in the end, claim it's a method of voter surpression.
Sigh. I'm very depressed about this, because I simply can't believe you guys are willing to go so far in order to deny the possible reality that some people in ACORN (and indeed some people beyond ACORN) actively seek to commit voter fraud. Despite it's being talked about and reported on since the 2000 election. I honestly find this very distressing.
I mean, why do you think there are investigations going on in virtually all the battleground states? Are you seriously suggesting that the GOP and the administration are somehow forcing the FBI to do this as all part of an elaborate conspiracy? I find this completely mind boggling from people who would normally discount such government conspiracies at the drop of a hat. But you really think that Bush is actively trying to coerce the FBI to do the dirty work of the GOP, and there are no wistleblowers at all? In a huge federal law enforcement agency? Are they doing these investigations based only on some "claims" that have no merit? You guys know they don't work that way.. the FBI doesn't start investigating things on a whim. There must have been at least some (even if minimal) tangible evidence of a problem to get them involved.
Regladless, I am willing to make one "bet" or guarantee here. McCain is not the type of person to drag out a loss forever like Gore did. I am quite certain that, should he lose election night, even if closely, he will be a gentleman and conceed. But there will be many people who will actively call for continued investigations. And there should be investigations, if for no other reason than to prove that there really isn't anything to it, as your side wants to believe.
ETA: And to Magyar, that is completely wishful thinking and idealism. Sadly, I think that both sides make the mistake that, when their side wins (especially when winning big) they take it as a full endorsement of their sides ideals and politics. But there are large numbers of people who vote against a side for the failures they have had. Especially in hard times like this when the party in power is perceived to be at fault, rightly or wrongly.
Think about it. Was Reagan's win over Carter a sign that the whole country was suddenly in full support of Republicans? I bet you don't think that. Whether it was Carters fault or not, things were a mess. Just like now. And many people were just looking for "change" then too.
If it was somehow an endorsement of Rebpublican ideals, how come that same country elected Clinton later? Was the election of Clinton proof that suddenly everyone was fully in support of the Democrat ideals? No, it was at least, in part, a rejection of Bush because of his broken tax pledge.
And the election of Bush Jr. was also at least, in part, due to people who were unhappy about the Clinton issues (for right or for wrong). And it's the same now. The public is (and has been) angry with Bush and the Republicans for years. So now many of them are going back to support the Democrats.
The bases of each party are always pretty solid. It's those people in the middle that make the difference, and many of them have no real core beliefs or values. Many are just idiots who vote for someone simply because they like him, or find him attractive, or any other number of silly reasons. And also because of anger over problems that happened during a current parties control of things.
If Obama makes mistakes and leaves the country in worse shape than he left it, a similar backlash will result again in the future. If he does wonderfully, he'll be strongly supported. This is reality. Stop thinking that because you are currently in favor/support by a majority that that is an endorsement of those views, because it's not. At least not in full. A great many of the middle of the road moderates are idiots who vote emotionally and right now the general attitude is "throw the bums out!" moreso than "Oh my god, the Democrats were always right all along". I submit as further proof of this the fact that Obama continues to try to connect McCain to Bush any way he can. As well as the mantra of "change". Because he knows it too.
This is as much a rejection of Republicans for failures as it is any endorsement of Democrat ideals and policies. At least for the forseable future, there will always be that 30-40% base for both parties that will always support them.
Last edit: The more I think about this, the more I think I understand it. The idea to you that anyone on the right actually has any morality, or dignity, is laughable. You assume they are capable of underhanded attempts to steal elections and so forth for one simple reason. You know your own side is willing to do whatever it takes, and so you project that onto your opponents as rationalization. Laugh all you want, I'll be the one saying "I told you so" when McCain conceeds gracefully on election night, without any qualms. Bush Jr. would have done the same. The difference is that he actually won that election, despite hysterical nonsense that others insist on believing. There was no reason to conceed when he was the actual victor. Gore should have showed class, dignity and maturity and let it go. He didn't. McCain will, I guarantee it. You'll see.
