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Remembering 9/11...Republican style

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In memory of the tragedy of 9/11, people all over the country are going to memorials and whatnot.

That's what democratic legislators in North Carolina did.

And while they were gone, republican leadership called a surprise vote to override the governor's veto of a budget bill. With all the opposition out, they were able to override the veto.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

Come on, someone try to defend it.
 
I think this vote would have happened anyway. NC requires 3/5 of the elected legislators to override a veto. You can't get those numbers by sending away opponents, only by attracting supporters.

So at least 3/5 of NC legislators showed up to work today and passed a bill. They would have been able to pull this off even if other 2/5 had shown up and voted against them.

Or am I missing something? Did the Republicans totally promise to go to the memorial service, and then once the Democrats were safely out of the way...? No, they already had a veto proof majority.
 
theprestige said:
I think this vote would have happened anyway. NC requires 3/5 of the elected legislators to override a veto. You can't get those numbers by sending away opponents, only by attracting supporters.

So at least 3/5 of NC legislators showed up to work today and passed a bill. They would have been able to pull this off even if other 2/5 had shown up and voted against them.

Or am I missing something? Did the Republicans totally promise to go to the memorial service, and then once the Democrats were safely out of the way...? No, they already had a veto proof majority.
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Out of 120 reps total, the vote was 55-9.
 
Random said:
Out of 120 reps total, the vote was 55-9.
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And the NC House is 65 Republicans to 55 Democrats. The GOP did NOT have a 3/5ths majority.

The Republicans also said that there would be no votes that morning so that people could go to the memorials. They told the press that as well. Then they showed up to subvert democracy because that's just who the Republicans are. The Democrats should never believe them and treat them as always hostile cheaters who will always act in bad faith. This is the only rational conclusion when they leverage 9/11 memorials to cheat.

And GOP voters will absolutely not hold them accountable, so they will remain deplorable for the foreseeable future.
 
Rep. Jason Saine (R-Lincolnton) called the motion for the vote. He made the motion for the vote and made no bones about the fact that it was called during a state memorial ceremony remembering the sacrifices made during the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

"As a former firefighter and an American, I am appalled that anyone in our country would stop going about their normal business on this day. When we stop being a beacon of freedom, hope and democracy, then the terrorists win," Saine said in a statement.
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People are still using the 'if we don't do X, the terrorists win' rhetoric? Also from a quick reading it appears this has been going back and forth for a few months, so taking the position this was simply an inevitability with bad timing doesn't pass the smell test for me.


Edit to add: It appears they only need 1 Democrat vote to flip in the Senate. They must have that thing locked down to pull this, as the optics for the voter that flips will not be good given how this transpired.
 
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Random said:
Out of 120 reps total, the vote was 55-9.
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tyr_13 said:
And the NC House is 65 Republicans to 55 Democrats. The GOP did NOT have a 3/5ths majority.
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Then all this talk about the veto doesn't make sense. They would have needed at least 90 votes to override. Something is being misreported here.

Also, is 64 present even enough to do business? NC seems pretty generous about its quorum requirements.
 
theprestige said:
Then all this talk about the veto doesn't make sense. They would have needed at least 90 votes to override. Something is being misreported here.

Also, is 64 present even enough to do business? NC seems pretty generous about its quorum requirements.
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Its not a 3/5 vote of all reps, its a 3/5 vote of the reps present and voting. And they had over half of the reps present, so they had a quorum.
 
tyr_13 said:
And the NC House is 65 Republicans to 55 Democrats. The GOP did NOT have a 3/5ths majority.

The Republicans also said that there would be no votes that morning so that people could go to the memorials. They told the press that as well. Then they showed up to subvert democracy because that's just who the Republicans are. The Democrats should never believe them and treat them as always hostile cheaters who will always act in bad faith. This is the only rational conclusion when they leverage 9/11 memorials to cheat.

And GOP voters will absolutely not hold them accountable, so they will remain deplorable for the foreseeable future.
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Every ******* one of them should be removed from office and whatever retirement benefits/pensions they've earned in their seat should be stripped immediately.
 
theprestige said:
Then all this talk about the veto doesn't make sense. They would have needed at least 90 votes to override. Something is being misreported here.
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What is the confusion? They need 60% of the vote to override the veto. If everyone is there, that means 72. But it is based on how many are voting.


Also, is 64 present even enough to do business? NC seems pretty generous about its quorum requirements.
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More than 1/2 the members present is not uncommon to declare a quorum.
 
Someone tries to defend the indefensible, and fails.
It is sad when blind partisanship makes somebody say idiotic things.
 
dudalb said:
Someone tries to defend the indefensible, and fails.
It is sad when blind partisanship makes somebody say idiotic things.
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For the record I don't think what theprestige said was idiotic, simply wrong. But wrong in an understandable way for a reaction of denial when faced with something as unbelievably craven as this.
 
Random said:
Its not a 3/5 vote of all reps, its a 3/5 vote of the reps present and voting. And they had over half of the reps present, so they had a quorum.
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pgwenthold said:
What is the confusion? They need 60% of the vote to override the veto. If everyone is there, that means 72. But it is based on how many are voting.




More than 1/2 the members present is not uncommon to declare a quorum.
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Interesting. Wikipedia says 3/5 of elected, but the actual constitution says 3/5 of present and voting.
 
pgwenthold said:
In memory of the tragedy of 9/11, people all over the country are going to memorials and whatnot.

That's what democratic legislators in North Carolina did.

And while they were gone, republican leadership called a surprise vote to override the governor's veto of a budget bill. With all the opposition out, they were able to override the veto.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

Come on, someone try to defend it.
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There is nothing that needs defending because there is no ethical component involved?
 
BobTheCoward said:
There is nothing that needs defending because there is no ethical component involved?
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If deception was involved as is accused by the article and the Democrats, than it would indeed involve an ethical component. I assume you could argue the ethics of deception but that would merit there being an ethical component I would guess.
 
rdwight said:
If deception was involved as is accused by the article and the Democrats, than it would indeed involve an ethical component. I assume you could argue the ethics of deception but that would merit there being an ethical component I would guess.
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A fake handoff in football pass play is also a deception.
 
theprestige said:
Oh, it's believably craven.
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Not really. It's just believably lazy. The information is in the article linked in the OP. You could've had that egg for breakfast tomorrow morning rather than wearing it.

It's subterfuge by the NC GOP. The #2 guy told a Dem who passed it along that there would be no votes in the morning session. In the presser, the Red Leader and the #2(Lewis) said the Dems just misunderstood. Alas, Lewis emailed a reporter on Tuesday night that there was likely to be no voting. He simply neglected to tell anyone else, so we have a Big Dog Special... "Show Me Where I Promised There Would Not Be A Vote. I din't say "I promise" so neener neener neener, Gotcha!"

Further, not stated in the article but pretty damned obvious is that it was planned. Are we supposed to believe that no patriotic blue blooded flag-waving Republicans in North Carolina had any memorial events to attend. Almost all of them were at the State House. It was an old fashioned ambush.
 
BobTheCoward said:
A fake handoff in football pass play is also a deception.
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Keep in mind that the republican deception involved a 9/11 memorial service. Something that most people would be respectful of.

Its like if your football team involved urinating on an American flag as part of its fake handoff play as part of the deception.

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