Religion the devourer of this relationship.

Ceritus

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Ok, so I met this woman a while back her and I had many things in common and things were going great and eventually the what religion are you question comes up. I told her atheist and she told me I was wrong. I should have seen problems up ahead in our relationship but me being the optimistic one chooses to ignore those problems and continue on with the relationship.

Time goes on, feelings for each other magnify and a positive pregnancy test strip opens the doors to a whole new realm for me. I was so happy and scared at the same time as was she. We decide to get engaged and everything becomes so much better. I was happy very happy. Days pass and emotions become chaotic with her due to her pregnancy and I tell her it is ok I remember who you are before these silly hormones got in the way she smiled and the rest of the day was great.

Last month everything changed. She is now in her 2nd trimester and the military leave I had planned a year ago becomes a reality. I go home to see my family and old friends and I of course offer her a plane ticket to come with me but she couldn't due to her job. We talked and I offered to stay home but she refused because she said I needed to see my family. So I went ahead and saw them. The first week was rough being without her and the 2nd week is when everything went to Hades.

I talked on the phone to her every day and on dec 27th she wanted to discuss about converting me to the Baptist belief the whole getting baptized thing and silly me thought it would be a good idea to be honest with her and tell her I could go ahead and do it but it could never change what I actually think. She blew up and started talking about what religion this child was going to be and I simply said we can bring our child to church but I have full intentions of also teaching our child science and math. She hung up the phone out of anger and I of course called back and asked angrily why she hung up on me. She replied that she needs some time to think and for me to leave her alone so I did for the night.

The next morning I call her and she tells me about this Christian boy she met and how much she wanted me to be like him in the religious aspect. I asked why would you want me to be anyone but me. She replied that she wanted a good Christian husband not just a good husband. I then said that I can only be what I am and maybe what I aspire to be and no part of me aspires to believe in any religion. She started crying and hung up the phone. I tried calling her and she turned her phone off. The next day she calls me and tells me all about this guy Steven and then I asked if she had feelings for him and she said she didn't know by this time I was calling northwest about changing my flight to an earlier date because I wasn't just going to sit there and lose her.

Later that day she calls me and tells me she slept with him! I was speechless and enraged and then she tells me that she cannot be with me because I am not religious and I told her that is just an excuse and a very poor one at that. I asked her what was wrong with me and she said I couldn't be "the one" because I don't believe in God and at this point I didn't even want to come home. So here she is now with Steven having my child and they both are talking about how they don't want me to raise our child and how I should only have a minimal part in our child’s life simply because I am atheist. I don't want that I want to be there for my kid and it is driving me insane.

I just got word that I am being deployed in May until august and I won't even be there for my child’s birth and she is going to fight for full custody. I can't accept that I refuse to not do anything but I don't know where to turn. I am stationed in the Bible belt and my whole god damn world is falling apart. I want to have full custody of my child I want to raise my child and most importantly I want to be a part of my child’s life but right now it all seems so far away I mean our child isn't even born yet but I refuse to submit without a fight.

What do I do?
 
God. Damn. Just goddamn. I'm afraid I don't know of anything to help. I hope someone else here does.

[manly hug]
 
A large part of me wants to destroy this man but the other parts of me want to remain lawful. I know if I act on impulse and do something illegal I will have no shot being with my child when it is born but I need release and I don't know where to release it I am literally shaking out of anger because typing this just brought back all my hostile feelings towards this whole situation.
 
Count yourself lucky to be out of it, first. Very lucky. If this was hell for you, imagine a life with this woman. And I don't say that because of her religion. I say that because she proved herself faithless so many times it should make your head spin. Sex before marriage, unwed pregnancy, and cheating on you because you won't find Jesus? Hang on; I have to oil the wheels on my eyes so I can roll them across the room.

Next, get a lawyer. Actually, do that first, then count your blessings. You may not get full custody, but that shouldn't stop you trying. You have as much right to the child as she does, and if nothing else, you might get joint custody, which is better than nothing.

Third, make it your priority to be in this child's life. Period. Never denigrate his mother or her faith, but simply present the scientific, mathematic, and logical thinking you planned to present to him/her. Teach him/her critical thinking. (If nothing else, you'll do teachers a big favor, never mind your child.)

Fourth, good luck, man. I hope this works out for the best (as much as possible) for all of you. And, have a hug from me. You deserve it.

ETA: Her faith is convenient, her love for you was convenient...how long, do you think, before the marriage became convenient?
 
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Let some time pass and revisit the problem in a couple months.
 
Damn ceritus. I am so sorry!

I think you should get a lawyer and discuss the matter with him/her. A mother does not have the right to remove a child's father from the child's life unless the father is abusive or dangerous. I would make it very clear to the mother that you are the father and it really doesn't matter what her baptist boyfriend and her think, what will matter is what the family court will decide.

My best wishes to you.
meg
 
I agree with the posters who advise you to get a lawyer pronto. The child is the issue, forget about the mother. From what I can gather, your "lack of faith" was simply her excuse to get out of the relationship so that she can be with the new guy.
 
I agree with you mere and all of you tonight I am going through the yellow pages looking for a lawyer and as soon as I wake up tommorrow I am going to call all the ones I have found. I just have heard stories that they will never seperate a mother from her newborn and that my plight is pointless.
 
Ceritus, I remember your thread about this same matter (concerning the psychiatrist?) from before. Sad to see things turned out this way.
On the other hand, my god what a bitch. You are lucky to be rid of her, and to have found out sooner rather than later how little respect she had for you. She cheated on you, and now she's making it out as though it were your fault?
Because you didn't find jesus? I try to have sympathy, but.. ugh.

She was lucky to have an intelligent, thoughtful and caring fiance. She pissed on that because of some ancient lie. You deserve more than that.

Good luck with the custody battle. For the kid's sake I hope you get a good lawyer.
 
Well, as long as the baby is breastfed, it's not likely that you'll get every weekend. There's no reason you can't visit and care for the child as much as possible, though. And then, once the baby is off the breast, you can figure out a 50% custody arrangement.

It's not pointless at all.

I really do think, too, that it's quite possible that the mother will come to her senses in a while, and realize that it's virtually impossible, as well as potentially damaging to a child to try to just "erase" a biological father that wishes to do his part and be a father, and she'll work something out with you.

Don't give up hope yet. Save that for when your kid is sixteen and wants you to buy her a car.:scared:

Meg
 
I agree with you mere and all of you tonight I am going through the yellow pages looking for a lawyer and as soon as I wake up tommorrow I am going to call all the ones I have found. I just have heard stories that they will never seperate a mother from her newborn and that my plight is pointless.

I know a guy who's ex found out she was pregnant shortly after a very messy breakup. She did everything in her power to keep him out of the child's life, but now he sees him on weekends. Of course it cost a lot of time and effort and money, but if that's what you want, don't give up hope.
 
Holy Frioles!!!! :eek:
This is way past my ability to give advice. All I can say is make sure you do the right thing, meaning do what makes you feel satisfied you did the right thing. I am not really sure of what exactly that might be. I had a girlfriend send me a picture of her near term pregnancy (naked to boot) around 10 months after she broke up with me and a picture of a baby. I wigged out but read the letter she wrote and the first words were "Don't worry it's not yours". Anyway she got back together with her ex and got knocked up right away after breaking up with me. I have no kids and no clue what to tell you. But you have my sympathy and if you need to talk feel free to pm me or whatever but I am not sure I have anything other than hope for you.
 
Too bad I can't use the F-word on this forum, because that's exactly what I think you should do with another woman.
 
Ceritus, sorry that you have to go through this.

Take the advice of the others and call a lawyer. Regardless of what happens between you and the women focus on the child. I am a father of two boys and I have to tell you that if you have never been a parent you are about to get a real kick in the reality.

You can be told what its like, but until you hold your own child in your arms you will never fully understand all the love that is inside you. Make sure she does not deny you any visiting rights.

The women may or may not come to her senses about you or your custody rights so in any argument over your rights always involve a lawyer.

It is true that you will not get full custody. However, be a big part of your child's life as you possibly can.

On a I-may-be-way-off-base-here but, your leave may have been a convient time to break up with you. She may have planned it that way. Sorry man.
 
Hello Ceritus,

What a shattering experience, and what a horrible thing for someone to do to you. I've been there, and I know how painful it is. I hope you're OK. Hang in there.

This might sound trite, and if so I'm sorry, but sometimes, at these darkest of moments, we find the best within ourselves. We discover to our amazement how strong we can be in the face of horrible circumstances over which we have no control. Have faith in yourself. You are a good and worthy person. Don't forget that.

You will feel horrible, and some days will be worse than others. Turn to your friends, your family, whoever you're close to. You might do something stupid in the middle of this crisis. If so, don't be too hard on yourself. You're doing the best that you can, and that's pretty damn good.

One thing I know for certain: What this woman did will hurt her deeply. She will regret it for the rest of her life. She's in for a lot of pain, even if she doesn't realize it now. She's done something horrible to you, to your child, and also to herself.

She's looking for excuses now to justify to herself what she's done, and if she's grasping at religion, anyone can see it's just an empty excuse. She may have picked that excuse as a way of hitting a nerve with you, because she knows how you feel about religion. She's using it as a weapon to drive you away. But religion is not destroying this relationship; she is. Maybe she was lonely, maybe her hormones were screwed up, maybe she was confused, whatever. There's no good excuse for the choices she made. Eventually she'll figure that out, and then she'll have to face herself and what she did to her child's life.

And this other man, what a pitiful excuse for a human being. He has no concept of what he's doing. He's a thief, he's a liar, he's a hypocrite. She'll probably figure that out eventually, too. Try not to waste too much energy on him. It's a no-win situation. It's natural to be angry at him, but you might find that the anger directed at him does nothing in the long run but eat away in your gut. You're angry now, but you don't want to be angry at him forever. He's not worth it. Let your anger be what it is right now. It is what it is. And if you can, eventually, figure out a way to let it go. Not for him, but for yourself.

The most important thing to you is the baby, I can tell. Then you know that you will have a lifelong relationship with the baby's mother. Over the years, the child will need your strength. Because that child will love his or her mother. Let your sense of betrayal and anger and outrage toward her be what it is right now. And if you can, in the future, see if you can let that go, too, not for her, but for the baby. And for yourself.

You might not believe this right now, but it is possible. Better days are ahead.

I hope your love for this baby can be a source of strength for you as you deal with this painful, absurd, monumentally unfair situation.

Peace.
 
On a I-may-be-way-off-base-here but, your leave may have been a convient time to break up with you. She may have planned it that way. Sorry man.

I don't think you are off base at all. While we are all just outsiders looking in on this train wreck, I think this is typical behavior.

Consider this:

Ceritus offered to stay home but she encouraged him to visit his family...

She asked Ceritus to get baptized and he agreed to do it to pay lip service to her religion. This is far and above the call of duty. Instead of being grateful, or at least accepting what she could get; she chose to start a major argument. She knew full well he would not be able to meet 100% of this demand, and that is why she made it. She might as well have asked him to chop off his head.

Furthermore she mentions another guy the next day, and later she says she has slept with him. I do not doubt this. I'm sure she did sleep with him, a long time ago.


So we either have to believe:

That in the short period he was away (on a trip she encouraged him to take!) she happened to have a crisis with god, decided that his religious beliefs were a serious problem (even though they had never been before!), decided to end the relationship (without telling him!), found someone else, and slept with him.

or

That she found this guy a long time ago and decided to switch ponies at the optimum moment (while Ceritus was away), and that this whole religious thing is just a red herring.


Ceritus,
Here is what I advise:

Get a lawyer.

Fight for your share of custody.

Get a paternity test. I know you do not want to hear this but she has proven that she is not faithful. In my experience people are generally not one time cheaters...

LLH
 
Man, I'm sorry. Geez.

What strikes me most is the absolute hypocrisy of her position. Your lack of religion is the justification for breaking off the relationship while she, the superior, moral Christian, apparently doesn't bat an eye over sleeping with another guy. She is messed up.

Good luck. I really hope the best for you.
 
You need to arrange for a DNA test even if you are sure it is yours. If you are not there when the baby is born she could very well claim its the other guys and put him on the birth cirtificate. Get your sample taken and a court odrer to do the test as soon as the baby pops out.

Do her entire family and church know about the pregnancy and you yet? She might suddenly decide that jesus boy is the father to save face. Remember that to some fundies life is all about what other people think of you and not what you actually do.
 
Firstly, it sucks that you have to go through this, especially as a military man; deployments and other military functions are bound to make this more difficult for you.

That said, you should let your command know now that this battle is coming; they may take you off the deployment pending conclusion of the legal issues. If that doesn't work, talk to your Chaplain (even though you're an atheist.) The Chaplain's job is to fight your command when necessary to preserve your peace of mind.

You may very well also be able to get help from your service's lawyers, also.

Best of luck.
 
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That she found this guy a long time ago and decided to switch ponies at the optimum moment (while Ceritus was away), and that this whole religious thing is just a red herring.
I was thinking the same thing. I only know what you described in the OP, but from this distance, it looks like a possibility.

Ceritus,
Here is what I advise:

Get a lawyer.

Fight for your share of custody.

Get a paternity test. I know you do not want to hear this but she has proven that she is not faithful. In my experience people are generally not one time cheaters...
Also very good advice. Of course you want to assert your rights as a parent, but you also have to verify the facts.
 

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