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Refuting Johanna Michaelsen and Pachita- a New age fraud that spawned a Christian one

Setsurinvich

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In case you guys don't know Johanna Michaelsen is a Christian fundamentalist who claimed to have worked with a psychic surgeon and after in Satanic Ritual Abuse. She had been mentioned several times on this forum and I wish to refute and clear up this mess she created once and for all so that people know they are dealing with a faker.


I had gone out of my way to research Johanna and the psychic she she realized it was "satanic" became a Christian fundamentalist who believed supposedly worked with.

Here is what I found

1) Stanley Krippner, who was mentioned in her book said his friend Montague Ullman had visited the same psychic and tested the blood and guts from the surgery and they were from animals. This was from a personal email I had with him. As well a Mexican skeptic, Mauricio-José Schwarz I talked with claimed even during her Hayday Pachita was accused of using animal parts

2)Also the musician *Charles Mingus had visited the same psychic johanna had worked with for a cure for ALS. There was no evidence that the surgery had taken place, no marks no scratches, not one drop of blood. Also the psychic kept on prescribing quack diets and Mingus died a few months after seeing the psychic. Page 107, Better Git It in Your Soul: An Interpretive Biography of Charles Mingus, 2016, Krin Gabbard

3)Also the origin story the psychic told Johanna and the director Alejandro Add to dictionary contracts each other. Page 122 of Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelsen vs The Dance of Reality: A Psychomagical Autobiography (Magic Masters Shamans) Alejandro Jodorowsky

4)Johanna claimed that there was a magic light on page 92 of her that allowed her to see all surgeries super clearly but other visitors claimed it was so dark they couldn't see anything at all. Even quacks like Alberto Villido as well as people who accompanied Andrjia Puharich claimed it was too dark to really see anything and that all sorts of fraud could have taken place.

5) Her own testimony that she gives as presentations sometimes contradicts her book.

6) This one is a little silly but I found someone online who asked Hal Lindsey who wrote the forward to her book and asked Hal about Johanna's story and Hal was apparently very vague about it. sustainedreactiondotyukudot/topic/5840/The-Death-of-Charles-Mingus?page=1

7) Her (step?) children seem to promote not only Yoga (she rallies against Yoga all the time) but appear to support progressive websites like Daily Kos (Social justice is of the devil!), suggesting that those with behind the scene knowledge aren't convinced of her truth

8) Another lunatic "scientist" Jacobo Grinberg claimed that Pachita the psychic Johanna Michalesen worked with can spawn organs for transplant OUT OF NOTHING. While Johanna claimed Pachita needed to buy them from the local morgue. Is it a power that Pachita needs to save up mana to use?

9) There is another lunatic Scientist in Memories of a Maverick, the biography of Puharich that claimed Pachita the psychic did a BRAIN TRANSPLANT. Which basically means she brought a dead guy back to life, so what was so special about Jesus coming back from the dead then huh?

10) She STLL promotes SRA 20 years after its been debunked, and as well claims to be an "expert" on the occult despite pushing lies like on the origins of Halloween, Rammerstein causing the columbine massacre etc....

I am making this list because Michaelsen's story had bothered me for years and I need to a place to refute it once and for all, also because I hear she is trying to republish her work so that a new generation of children will be terrorized and this could be a place they find to refute.

If anyone here was a former fundie or who knew Michaelsen or even her psychic friend well please feel free to add what you know! I would add links too but I am only a novice on this forum
 
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Welcome, Setsurinivich!

Just post your links but write "dot" instead of the dots and someone will repost them as valid links.
 
Welcome, Setsurinivich!

Just post your links but write "dot" instead of the dots and someone will repost them as valid links.

Hi there! most of my links are books that everyone can easily google anyways, but feel free to add or just look at what I found:thumbsup:
 
there is something else I wanted to ask, would it be possible for someone with some surgical experience be able to remove bone fragments lodged at the intersection between the forehead and the nose in 20 minutes as Johanna would proclaim? This doesn't sound miraculous but could be done by someone with experience in minor surgeries. Yes I know Johanna isn't very reliable source but I would like to know if the procedure described be physically possible

httpsdot//books.googledotca/books?id=xSMXWbJ2T1IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=johanna+michaelsen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVla6Mwr7TAhUUIWMKHb4lAoIQ6AEIIzAA#v=onepage&q=heraldo&f=false
 
there is something else I wanted to ask, would it be possible for someone with some surgical experience be able to remove bone fragments lodged at the intersection between the forehead and the nose in 20 minutes as Johanna would proclaim? This doesn't sound miraculous but could be done by someone with experience in minor surgeries. Yes I know Johanna isn't very reliable source but I would like to know if the procedure described be physically possible

httpsdot//books.googledotca/books?id=xSMXWbJ2T1IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=johanna+michaelsen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVla6Mwr7TAhUUIWMKHb4lAoIQ6AEIIzAA#v=onepage&q=heraldo&f=false

ETA: might not be quite right there may be a line return or two in your copy, Setsurinivich


https://books.google.ca/books?id=xSMXWbJ2T1IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=johan na+michaelsen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVla6Mwr7TAhUU IWMKHb4lAoIQ6AEIIzAA#v=onepage&q=heraldo&f=false
 
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There is something I hope people in this fourm can help me with. Why do I get so bothered by this story? I mean it doesn't bother any of you guys right? Any ideas why?
 
There is something I hope people in this fourm can help me with. Why do I get so bothered by this story? I mean it doesn't bother any of you guys right? Any ideas why?

Everyone has a pet peeve of some sort. Mine is when the History Channel, or some other such network, lends credibility to tripe like Ancient Aliens or Bigfoot. It irks me immensely for some reason, when other, worse things don't bother me nearly as much. Why that is, however, I'm not entirely sure.

For some reason, this person and their fraud is your particular irritant.
 
Everyone has a pet peeve of some sort. Mine is when the History Channel, or some other such network, lends credibility to tripe like Ancient Aliens or Bigfoot. It irks me immensely for some reason, when other, worse things don't bother me nearly as much. Why that is, however, I'm not entirely sure.

For some reason, this person and their fraud is your particular irritant.

I guess so, its that Michaelsen's psychic friend did not only turn out to be a real person, but also had others claim she did outrageous stuff I guess that's the part that annoyed me. At least its good to talk to someone about it
 
There is something I hope people in this fourm can help me with. Why do I get so bothered by this story? I mean it doesn't bother any of you guys right? Any ideas why?

Everyone has a pet peeve of some sort. Mine is when the History Channel, or some other such network, lends credibility to tripe like Ancient Aliens or Bigfoot. It irks me immensely for some reason, when other, worse things don't bother me nearly as much. Why that is, however, I'm not entirely sure.

For some reason, this person and their fraud is your particular irritant.

And mine is crap science published in journals as if it were the good stuff.

The world has no shortage of fraud, but I only have a finite amount of "give a ****."
 
And mine is crap science published in journals as if it were the good stuff.

The world has no shortage of fraud, but I only have a finite amount of "give a ****."

I understand what you mean I hear Johanna is trying to republish her book its why I "care" I want the first thing people to see is a debunking of her book

and I found another proof against Johanna

11) She claims that tumors cut out of patients smell like rotting meat, but even large cancers don't always have a smell comparable to rotting meat. Not even if they do have extensive necrosis. And the size that a "psychic surgeon" handles is small enough to be palmed by him (this is a close up setting) is not what would be considered a large cancer which would be prone to extensive necrosis.
 
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Sure, read something interesting. You might find James Randi's Flim Flam a good place to start learning about some of this nonsense.
 
Sure, read something interesting. You might find James Randi's Flim Flam a good place to start learning about some of this nonsense.

ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video httpsdot//wwwdotyoutubedotcom/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?
 
ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video httpsdot//wwwdotyoutubedotcom/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?

Fake pyschic surgery is one of the things Randi covers in the book, as I recall. People get fooled by fake stuff all the time. No time for youboob nonsense today.
 
Fake pyschic surgery is one of the things Randi covers in the book, as I recall. People get fooled by fake stuff all the time. No time for youboob nonsense today.

i know but I would like someone to confirm that I am making the right anaylsis, that I know how to spot tricks
 
okay I am almost done with this stuff, just one more email response from someone who can confirm one last detail and no one will ever have to worry about her again
 
ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video httpsdot//wwwdotyoutubedotcom/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

Welcome to the forums! I have no comment on the psychic, but here is your link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

 

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