Real conspiracy in Zimbabwe

[peteweaver]

As many of you are aware, Robert Mugabe, the Zimbabwean dictator has used repression to stifle his opponents. Many have been killed.

This is what real tyrants do.

No 'truth'ers have ever been subjected to similar treatment by the people they oppose.

 

[moon1969]

So why wont George W. Bush and Gordon Brown go and liberate Zimbabwe? Zimbabwe isn"t apart of the war on terror? Or maybe Iraq war was about oil. Sanctions won"t work because they only hurt the people in Zimbabwe. What are Bush and Brown so afraid of? Surely even the Bush haters know that Robert Mugabe is evil? Well I guess the twoofers would not support the military intervention in Zimbabwe? Can"t believe that Mugabe is not going to be removed like Slobodan Milosevic was.

 

[Praktik]

Actually, I think a combo of international condemnation and the use of pre-existing African org's like the OAU and pressure from South Africa would be the best possible solution.

Parachuting western troops in there could work and may even one day be necessary but I would like to see this resolved primarily with the efforts of African nations and leaders.

The reason he's getting so violent these past weeks is that his hold on power is crumbling - fact is conditions in that country are so bad right now that there is an indigenous frustration that just needs a few pushes in the right direction (and protection) to remove him from power.

 

[Praktik]

Looks like Mbeki can't be counted on to do much these days - but his successor in the ANC, Zuma, maybe so...

 

[moon1969]

Mugabe is no better then the military junta in Myanmar. Too bad Myanmar is not that important. Maybe because there is no oil?

"Myanmar Junta Still Blocking Much Cyclone Aid"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/world/asia/11cnd-myanmar.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

 

[GreNME]

So why wont George W. Bush and Gordon Brown go and liberate Zimbabwe? Zimbabwe isn"t apart of the war on terror? Or maybe Iraq war was about oil. Sanctions won"t work because they only hurt the people in Zimbabwe. What are Bush and Brown so afraid of? Surely even the Bush haters know that Robert Mugabe is evil? Well I guess the twoofers would not support the military intervention in Zimbabwe? Can"t believe that Mugabe is not going to be removed like Slobodan Milosevic was.

I'm sorry, was there something in your post relating to the issue as a conspiracy theory or are you just couching a political statement?

 

[Praktik]

Mugabe is no better then the military junta in Myanmar. Too bad Myanmar is not that important. Maybe because there is no oil?

"Myanmar Junta Still Blocking Much Cyclone Aid"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/world/asia/11cnd-myanmar.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Not sure if you meant Zimbabwe has no oil, but Myanmar surely does. Lots of oil and gas and "timber, tin, antimony, zinc, copper, tungsten, lead, coal, marble, limestone, precious stones".

Sufficiently replete with resources that China has strong interests there and there's been a history of western involvement to extract said resources as well.

 

[chillzero]

Thread moved. This is not about 911. Nor is it really about any conspiracy. Please try to post appropriate to the section involved.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[senorpogo]

Lesson here? Choose the recipients of your honorary laurels, such as knighthood and degrees, very carefully.

Queen Elizabeth II stripped Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe of his ceremonial knighthood on Wednesday -- a highly unusual move meant to show Britain's revulsion with the human rights abuses of his regime.

President Jack M. Wilson today announced that he will recommend that the University of Massachusetts Board of Trustees rescind an honorary degree granted to Robert Mugabe in 1986.

 

[peteweaver]

Thread moved. This is not about 911. Nor is it really about any conspiracy. Please try to post appropriate to the section involved.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

The point I was trying to make, is that the repression of MDC voters in Zimbabwe, is real. However the repression of conspiracy theorists aka 'truth'ers occurs only in their deluded imagination.
And while they prance about with black tshirts & placards, and pretend to be making a difference, MDC supporters are up against a real tyranny which kills people who speak out against it.

On 9/11 nearly 3000 people were killed, and the conspiracy theorists allege that the US Government did it. And yet, no webfiltering technology is deployed to silence the conspiracy theorists, no conspiracy theorist has been asassinated for airing their views about 9/11. But a zimbabwean who doesn't vote zanu pf, come 'election' time risks having his / her house burned down, and being murdered.

 

[Praktik]

A slight digression but still Zimbabwe related, but your last post mentioning Zimbabwe's new surveillance law reminded me of this quote from a Mugabe government spokesman regarding criticism of the new law from the outside world:

Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe on Friday signed into law the controversial Interception of Communications Bill, which gives his government the authority to eavesdrop on phone and Internet communications and read physical mail.

The legislation has drawn outspoken opposition from the political opposition and civil society organizations as trampling on the civil rights of Zimbabweans.

Spokesman Nelson Chamisa of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change faction of Morgan Tsvangirai called it an addition to "the dictator's tool kit" . . .

Secretary General Welshman Ncube of the MDC faction led by Arthur Mutambara called it a "final straw to the curtailment to the liberties of Zimbabweans."

Human rights lawyer Otto Saki told VOA that the law interferes and undermines the enjoyment of rights enshrined in the constitution and is a sign Mr. Mugabe wants to consolidate his power by "any means necessary or unnecessary."

But Communications Minister Christopher Mushowe said Zimbabwe is not unique in the world in passing such legislation, citing electronic eavesdropping programs in the United States, the United Kingdom and South Africa, among other countries.​

 

[moon1969]

Maybe the Pope should excommunicate Robert Mugabe? Just like Fidel Castro and Augusto Pinochet were excommunicated by Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Maybe the Pope should excommunicate Robert Mugabe? Just like Fidel Castro and Augusto Pinochet were excommunicated by Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II.

Great idea, if Mugabe is a Roman Catholic. Let's see, he might be:

Mugabe has waged a violent campaign against homosexuals, arguing that before colonisation Zimbabweans did not engage in homosexual acts[40].

http://books.google.com/books?vid=I...homosexuality&sig=tzSDUBuYv5c6Y8admBfF-Y-Azbo
Wikipedia notes his status as __ Religion -- Lapsed Catholic

In Roman Catholicism, a lapsed Catholic is a Catholic who has ceased practicing the Catholic religion. Such a person is said to have lapsed from the faith. According to Catholic belief, if you are baptised as a Catholic you remain a Catholic forever. ==snip==

The term "lapsed Catholic" is favored over "ex-Catholic," especially in cases where the person has merely stopped practicing the faith (such as going to mass or confession) but has not actively adopted a new religion. Such people often still nominally identify their religion as Catholic. Even repudiating the entirety of Catholic faith does not make a Catholic un-baptised, but rather an apostate. Likewise, a Catholic who rejects an essential part of the Catholic religion is a heretic, and a Catholic who refuses to submit to the Roman Pontiff is a schismatic.

Excommunicating him would be pointless, don't you think? Still, the Pope could do it just to make a point.

I second your motion.

DR

 

[Oliver]

What are Bush and Brown so afraid of?

Nothing. I mean come on, Zimbabwe is a Black vs Black Issue, why should Whites and their Leaders be much concerned about that or Darfur?

 

[Mister Agenda]

We have very little moral authority to go in and overthrow African governments, given our history. As a rule, we don't like wars where we have to shoot a lot of black people. It's not exactly a win-win for the USA. A little more circumspect, without much media coverage, like we're doing in Somalia, is more our style these days after the last time we got our nose bloodied and people across Africa were happy to see us out of Somalia just on general principles.