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Rare outbreak of common sense in Sacramento California

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For someone who is routinely ridiculed as "Governor Moonbeam" by the radical right, Jerry Brown has done a remarkably good job of stabilizing California and avoiding silly laws.

This just goes to show how terribly the uttery prejudiced, anti-human propaganda from the right has skewed the viewpoint of this country. Jerry Brown is the face of financial responsibility, given how he's turned California around. But we still see the uniformed spouting off how California will break off and fall into the sea of debt, etc, and the dishonest keep the uninformed ignorant on the truth of the matter.

There hasn't been a single fiscally responsible Republican since Ford. But Carter and Clinton didn't do too badly despite the interference, and Obama has been deliberately handicapped because, you know, he's Black, Muslim, and not a real American, according to the visible GOP crazies.
 
jj said:
For someone who is routinely ridiculed as "Governor Moonbeam" by the radical right, Jerry Brown has done a remarkably good job of stabilizing California and avoiding silly laws.

This just goes to show how terribly the uttery prejudiced, anti-human propaganda from the right has skewed the viewpoint of this country. Jerry Brown is the face of financial responsibility, given how he's turned California around. But we still see the uniformed spouting off how California will break off and fall into the sea of debt, etc, and the dishonest keep the uninformed ignorant on the truth of the matter.

There hasn't been a single fiscally responsible Republican since Ford. But Carter and Clinton didn't do too badly despite the interference, and Obama has been deliberately handicapped because, you know, he's Black, Muslim, and not a real American, according to the visible GOP crazies.
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Knowing his story, I'll leave it this: Jerry has matured, and for any politician that's a very rare thing.

There are already gun owners pissing and moaning that he didn't veto every bill, and it's going to take a bunch of money to fight the lead ammo ban, but I believe they're the glass-half-empty types.

I will say that for every long faced gun owner, there are a bunch of anti-gun true believers in California that are wondering what happened and how could Brown not sign every bill.

I watched some news reports and the supporters of the semi-auto rifle ban were besides themselves,

Shades of the Prop. 15 statewide handgun ban initiative in 1982 that every media outlet was predicting was going to pass by a landslide.

It lost by over 2 to 1, and out of the 58 California counties, the only two that had majorities voting in favor were S.F. and Marin.
 
Could someone give me the rundown on why lead bullets might be subject to a ban?

Blood poisoning?
 
3point14 said:
Could someone give me the rundown on why lead bullets might be subject to a ban?

Blood poisoning?
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There are many EU countries which have partial or full bans on lead shot due to environmental damage - waterfowl apparently pick the shot for their gizzards, and do develop dangerous levels of lead in their body.
 
jimbob said:
There are many EU countries which have partial or full bans on lead shot due to environmental damage - waterfowl apparently pick the shot for their gizzards, and do develop dangerous levels of lead in their body.
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Thank you. I had suspected it might be more environmental than anything else.
 
Lead was already banned in some parts of California. Mostly Condor habitats. My main objection to this law (as first written) was that the federal government has essentially banned most non-lead alternatives due to it being classified as armor penetrating and therefore had to be tightly regulated. The re-written law states that unless those restrictions are loosened then the ban can be overturned by the head of the fish and wildlife department. That seems to be a fair compromise to me.
 
I guess DU is not a viable alternative

:boxedin:
 
jimbob said:
There are many EU countries which have partial or full bans on lead shot due to environmental damage - waterfowl apparently pick the shot for their gizzards, and do develop dangerous levels of lead in their body.
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Lead shot for fishing was banned in the UK in the 80's, but that ban is based on the shot size as waterfowl only retain certain sizes of particle for crop-grinding purposes. Large leads for ledgering are still freely available as the birds wouldn't ingest them.

So it might make sense to ban lead as shotgun pellets, but none at all for bullets unless there's some risk involved in the manufacturing process.
 
jj said:
There hasn't been a single fiscally responsible Republican since Ford. But Carter and Clinton didn't do too badly despite the interference, and Obama has been deliberately handicapped because, you know, he's Black, Muslim, and not a real American, according to the visible GOP crazies.
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This liberal propaganda silliness is bad enough, but wow you went right off the cliff about Carter. Didn't do too badly?? I like him a lot as a person, but he's one of the worst presidents we ever had.

OTOH the Obama bit sounded like excellent sarcasm, so props for that.
 
BStrong said:
Gun control advocates just can't understand how Brown couldn't sign common sense gun control laws, so...

It's the NRA's fault!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...1/jerry-brown-vetoes-gun-control-legislation/
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I don't feel like that's an accurate representation of that article's tone at all. It happened to mention that the NRA had threatened to file lawsuits if the bills were passed, but that was it. A simple statement of fact and then it moved on. I did not detect the slightest hint of insinuation that the NRA had been responsible for Brown's decision.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
I don't feel like that's an accurate representation of that article's tone at all. It happened to mention that the NRA had threatened to file lawsuits if the bills were passed, but that was it. A simple statement of fact and then it moved on. I did not detect the slightest hint of insinuation that the NRA had been responsible for Brown's decision.
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Take a look at the comments - and locally the spin is that Brown vetoed the worst of the bills to save democratic legislators in vulnerable districts from recall - couldn't simply be that Brown recognizes a bad law when he sees it.
 
I've been a fan of Jerry Brown. He's made some great sensible decisions with the budget, supports high speed rail and earlier this week signed into law a new bill that makes abortions easier to get in California.

Yet the conservative meme is that California is a failed state that just parasites the rest of the nation.
 
3point14 said:
Thank you. I had suspected it might be more environmental than anything else.
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There is also a lot of concern over the California Condor that feed on left overs from hunters and get lead poisoning as a result.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...dors-face-epidemic-lead-poisoning-finds-study
Ammunition left in animal corpses is the primary cause of lead poisoning among California Condors, whose numbers have remained low but stable thanks to conservation efforts.
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bigred said:
This liberal propaganda silliness is bad enough, but wow you went right off the cliff about Carter. Didn't do too badly?? I like him a lot as a person, but he's one of the worst presidents we ever had.

OTOH the Obama bit sounded like excellent sarcasm, so props for that.
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Numbers are not propaganda, they are facts.

It is telling that despite all of the evidence about federal deficits, people keep telling the same utter lies about how the democrats are the profligate spenders.

The record, the factual, testable, verifiable record is clear, the Republicans have created this deficit, and have maintained it. The only reason they are now trying to do something is to keep the democrats from letting the economy recover.

It's a simple act of economic violence aimed at 99% of the citizens of the USA, no more, no less.
 
3point14 said:
Thank you. I had suspected it might be more environmental than anything else.
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It has to do with toxicity at ranges indoor and outdoor. You can get some pretty serious contamination going in popular outdoor ranges and it's a real health hazard indoors as we'll.
 
Craig4 said:
It has to do with toxicity at ranges indoor and outdoor. You can get some pretty serious contamination going in popular outdoor ranges and it's a real health hazard indoors as we'll.
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Not so much as you might think - I've had lead exposure tests due to the amount of time I spend professionally in indoor ranges shooting, either in instructing/requals or my own practice time, and have never shown elevated lead levels - and I started as a kid on the indoor range my father operated - 40 + years and counting is pretty solid evidence.
 
BStrong said:
Not so much as you might think - I've had lead exposure tests due to the amount of time I spend professionally in indoor ranges shooting, either in instructing/requals or my own practice time, and have never shown elevated lead levels - and I started as a kid on the indoor range my father operated - 40 + years and counting is pretty solid evidence.
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N=1 case in a subject who was also exposed to leaded petrol. Not that solid.
 
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