Ragging believers- A source of glee

Whomp

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Why is it that so many here seem to take such delight in ridiculing believers? Christians seem to be especially beloved targets.

I understand that christianity is prevalent here in the US, and they can be annoying when they evangelize. It seems to me the A-Theists (I'm channeling here) tend to be much more stident than the believers.

With all the wonderful religions out there, christianity seems fairly benign.

So, enlighten me!

Whomp!
 
Cuz it's so easy, I mean do you see any dead people getting up and walking around.

Must be nice to live someplace where the Xians are benign, seems to me they are always trying to insert thier religious agenda into all our lives.

My biggest gripe is the way it reinforces domestic violence, many women who are beaten are told to submit to thier husbands. Ooops.


Peace
 
Whomp said:
Why is it that so many here seem to take such delight in ridiculing believers? Christians seem to be especially beloved targets.

I understand that christianity is prevalent here in the US, and they can be annoying when they evangelize. It seems to me the A-Theists (I'm channeling here) tend to be much more stident than the believers.

With all the wonderful religions out there, christianity seems fairly benign.

So, enlighten me!

Whomp!
Example?

P.S. It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be as much ridicule over in the Science forum...
 
Whomp said:

With all the wonderful religions out there, christianity seems fairly benign.


Whomp!

Benign huh? Try cracking a history book - or moving to Texas.

Barkhorn.
 
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Barkhorn1x said:


Benign huh? Try cracking a history book - or moving to Texas.

Barkhorn.

Ooohh ... a palpable hit sir! What I meant to say is the evangelizing of Christians is not as annoying as some others IMO.
 
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Whomp said:

What I meant to say is the evangelizing of Christians is not as annoying as some others IMO.
Who do you find more annoying than evangelizing Christians? Personally, I tend to use Christians as examples of theists in general because they have been my primary experience with theism.
 
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Upchurch said:
Who do you find more annoying than evangelizing Christians? Personally, I tend to use Christians as examples of theists in general because they have been my primary experience with theism.

Wow, Jehova's witnesses have always been a large pain in my posterior. It seems that mormons also flood my town on a regular basis. Both these groups will knock on the door of my home, and with an amazing level of persistance try to work thier way inside so they can tell me about thier beliefs.

I've never had a christian do this. I'm not one to be rude, so the witnesses and Mormons keep coming back, even after I tell them "No Thanks".

Just 2 examples
 
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Whomp said:


Ooohh ... a palpable hit sir! What I meant to say is the evangelizing of Christians is not as annoying as some others IMO.


I knowwwww.. what you mean......

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Of course, a few hundred years ago the story was quite different..

The inquisition and the crusades really got on my nerves..
 
Whomp said:

I understand that christianity is prevalent here in the US, and they can be annoying when they evangelize. It seems to me the A-Theists (I'm channeling here) tend to be much more stident than the believers.
Knock! Knock!
I'm your friendly neighborhood atheist, would you like a copy of the Watchtower?

When's the last time this happened to you?


I'll let you in on a little secret: our non-God gives us bonus points towards non-eternal redemption if we save more non-souls from non-damnation.
 
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Whomp said:

I've never had a christian do this. I'm not one to be rude, so the witnesses and Mormons keep coming back, even after I tell them "No Thanks".
Now, see. Jahovah's Witnesses and Mormons consider themselves Christians. As would I, since they are self-proclaimed followers of Jesus Christ. And yes, they are annoying.

Jahovah's Witnesses on Jesus's Reserection
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons). See? "Jesus Christ" is even in their name.
 
Dancing David said:
Joe's Witness and Mormons are Xians, so there , nyah,nyah,nyah

Hmm... guess I never considered them Christians because all of my (non JH $ mormon) Christian freinds seem to think otherwise.

But hey, I've been wrong soo much I'm getting used to it.
 
Speaking of which, did you know you can backpedal at upwards of 25 MPH if you work at it?
 
Whomp said:


Hmm... guess I never considered them Christians because all of my (non JH $ mormon) Christian freinds seem to think otherwise.

But hey, I've been wrong soo much I'm getting used to it.
Question: do you consider Catholics to be Christians?
 
To answer the original question, I think there are several reasons why christians get mocked more than other religions.

Firstly, many Christian beliefs are simply so easy to refute, but the passion with which they defend these 2000+ year old myths can be a source of great amusement. For example, most of the time when I debate with a christian, their answers come down to: because that is the way it is; without using any evidence to back this up.

Second, there is the hope, although mostly vain, that the christians may begin to question their beliefs and think with reason.

But the most important reason, in my opinion, is how they try to force their views on others. I think the bashing is a reaction to this. There are daily T.V. shows(at least here in the great white north) promoting christ and trying to convert people. I have christians coming to my door and telling me that I'm going to hell because I don't believe, but that it's not too late to be saved. I have never experienced this with any other religious group. I also think that the belief that christions hold, that they are right, leads to an air of superiority and self-rightiousness which many non-christians find annoying.
 
Whomp

Unfortunately, I cannot find it, but if you had read Foodbunny's post on growing up in Texas, you would not ask such a question.

I have started numerous threads about the Catholic Church behaving badly - not just individual priests misbehaving, but institutional misbehaviour. For instance, demanding that a nine-year old rape victim carry her child to term.

The evolution wars - where Christians attack science for historical philosophical reasons they are utterly unaware of - is also reason enough. You do understand that they cannot stop at evolution - that if they succeed in rolling back evolution, they must continue step by step to roll back all scientific knowledge.

The sheer hypocrisy of claiming that God is both good and the custodian of Hell. The idea that my neighbor knows for a fact that I will suffer eternal torment in Hell, and is ok with that.

Other religions are absurd, but few are as powerful in the Western world, or as hypocritical.
 
Originally posted by Womp

Speaking of which, did you know you can backpedal at upwards of 25 MPH if you work at it?
I'd like to applaud your recognition of this as an important skill.

Scientific studies of intelligence have frequently featured rats in mazes. The ability to traverse a complex maze depends heavily on being able (and willing) to back up and try another path. I have found this ability largely absent in the Christians I have had contact with (at least far as theology is concerned). Come at them with all the reason and evidence in the world, but they won't budge an inch. It is the challenge this presents that makes them such desireable targets.
 
Fighting the Xtians

Off the top of my head I can think of many reasons these people must be stopped:

The belief (shared by the Neocons in the current adminstration) that Israel must never make peace with the Palestinians, so Israel can get attacked by the rest of the nations in the world, hit the Armageddon switch, and Jesus will come back...

The b-b-b-billions of wasted money and resources that go into this mythology every year that might have helped some poor bastard somewhere get three squares a day...

Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Paul Crouch, Jim Jones, Bob Jones, Ralph Reed (this list never ends)...

The constant assault on actual education, from challenging the teaching of evolution, to the attempt to get school vouchers so they can kick the slats out from under the public school system and make it collapse...

I cant' go on, my blood pressure is going up.
 
Whomp said:
Why is it that so many here seem to take such delight in ridiculing believers? Christians seem to be especially beloved targets.

I understand that christianity is prevalent here in the US, and they can be annoying when they evangelize. It seems to me the A-Theists (I'm channeling here) tend to be much more stident than the believers.

With all the wonderful religions out there, christianity seems fairly benign.

So, enlighten me!

Whomp!

Hello Whomp,

I suspect that the reasons are many. A few come to mind:

1. Public policy is affected (and effected!) by Christians, the officials they elect, the judges they appoint, and through their ability to organize. Christians have their agenda, as do other groups, and they believe that their agenda is the right agenda for their communities, counties and cities, states and nation. But other folks who do not subscribe to the beliefs held by Christians often feel (rightly so) that their lives are affected by the beliefs of others. Pick your hot button issue: abortion, prayer in schools, school vouchers, science curiculum in schools, homosexuality - Christians, especially conservative ones, generally have strongly-held opinions on these issues and, through their considerable lobbying power, they can influence the direction the nation takes.

2. Particularly "evangelical" Christians (Baptists come to mind), JW's, and Mormons believe there is a Biblical mandate to spread the "good news" to non-believers. Their tactics aren't often received very well by the folks they encounter. The idea of going up to a home and just knocking on the door in an attempt to "witness" is perceived by many folks as just downright rude and annoying. If I were to try to "witness" to others, it would probably be more effective IMHO to develop a genuine relationship with folks rather than just banging on doors and passing out literature. It is this boldness and sureness that they are right, that their belief system is the right one and that all others are wrong that causes many folks to react negatively. And, quite frankly, whenever someone claims X and I hold the opinion that X is wrong, I want to try to figure out why she believes this and to let her know my reasons for holding my opinions.

3. Being that the predominate religions and denominations in the Western world are under the "Christian" umbrella - meaning that they hold at least some of the same beliefs, it follows that discussions about matters of religion, faith, and belief will generally be focussed on Christianity. Think about this - who hasn't seen the "John 3:16" sign at a televised (American) football game at least once in his life? Like it or not, Christianity is influential and receives much press. When was the last time you saw a sign in the endzone that had a reference to Dianetics or the Koran? I haven't, unless the Koran has some hidden, Bible-code like message about ABC or CBS.

This forum is a place where each of us can write what is on our minds, discuss our opinions/beliefs/gripes and encourage a dialogue on these topics. Christianity wouldn't be the predominate topic here if it weren't so widespread and influential.

Just my thoughts.

Take care,
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