Questions for Obama

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I have a few questions for Obama, and they don't have anything to do with what religion his dad is, or if he puts his hand over his heart during the pledge:

1. If you are against the War in Iraq, why did you repeatedly vote for more funding of that war?
2. Why did you vote to re-authorize the PATRIOT Act?
3. Why do you want to expand the military by 92,000 troops?
4. Why did you vote, in 2006, for a bill that would create a 700-mile fence between the US and Mexico?
5. Why should we trust you to handle the sub-prime mortgage crisis, when some of your biggest campaign contributions are from the very banks and corporate law firms that helped create that crisis?

It's sad that people will instead focus on silly issues, such as whether or not Obama's wife said "whitey" in church, or whether or not he's a "stealth Muslim".
 
I have a few questions for Obama, and they don't have anything to do with what religion his dad is, or if he puts his hand over his heart during the pledge:

1. If you are against the War in Iraq, why did you repeatedly vote for more funding of that war?
He didn't want to commit political suicide, I'd wager.

2. Why did you vote to re-authorize the PATRIOT Act?

Huh. Can you link me to that bill or it's riders? I'd suspect there was a rider on it he wanted, but that's a very qood question.

3. Why do you want to expand the military by 92,000 troops?
It kinda IS stretched thin. I do wonder where he plans on getting them, though. (Maybe he'll stop the Air Force from hemorraging itself?)

4. Why did you vote, in 2006, for a bill that would create a 700-mile fence between the US and Mexico?

Same question as 2.

5. Why should we trust you to handle the sub-prime mortgage crisis, when some of your biggest campaign contributions are from the very banks and corporate law firms that helped create that crisis?

.. At a guess, you're assuming a quid pro quo before any proof of it. But, eh, by this stage, the government can't do much about it.
 
I have a question for Ralph Nader: Why Are you running again when you have no chance of winning and the only thing you can accomplish is hand a close election to the GOP again.
I guess Axiom will conduct this guerrila war for Ralph The Savior until November?
 
It kinda IS stretched thin. I do wonder where he plans on getting them, though. (Maybe he'll stop the Air Force from hemorraging itself?)

Well, the OP in another thread showed he considered the US Military to be a Dangerous Cult, so one gets the feeling he would like to do away with it completly.
 
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He didn't want to commit political suicide, I'd wager.
More like he didn't want the soldiers to commit suicide because they don't have the right equipment/supplies. It's not their fault that Bush was either clueless or manipulative.
 
3. Why do you want to expand the military by 92,000 troops?

Building a strong military is not the same as supporting an unpopular war. In fact, this little adventure of George Jr's has probably rendered the U.S. less capable of quickly and decisively responding to surprise threats. Better hope there are none...
 
I have a question for Ralph Nader: Why Are you running again when you have no chance of winning and the only thing you can accomplish is hand a close election to the GOP again.
I guess Axiom will conduct this guerrila war for Ralph The Savior until November?

If Obama is actually the best candidate he's going to have to prove it to me. He can't take my vote for granted.
So far, I'm unconvinced, but if you'd like to convince me, I'm willing to listen.

Actually, Obama is the one who has stirred up messianic zeal, not Nader. Listen to Obama's followers, and he's the only hope for the Democratic Party. He's going to save the nation!
I still don't understand why he had to have the nomination, or the country was doomed. He doesn't seem much different from Hillary.

Well, the OP in another thread showed he considered the US Military to be a Dangerous Cult, so one gets the feeling he would like to do away with it completly.

Getting your opponent on the defensive is a great rhetorical ploy. No, I don't want to do away with it completely. We do need a military, although the focus on brute force is too great. 9/11 showed us just how ineffective a military can be at stopping terrorist threats.

How has Obama protested the war? What has he done so far to help end it?
Has all of his opposition just been lip service?
 
I think those are all good questions. Let's hope Obama addresses them. I think they do require explanations.
 
I have a few questions for Obama, and they don't have anything to do with what religion his dad is, or if he puts his hand over his heart during the pledge

I'm sure he's answered most of these questions already.

2. Why did you vote to re-authorize the PATRIOT Act?
Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version
of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored.
I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle
feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House
originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by
strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools
that law enforcement needs to keep us safe. In this compromise:

At which point he goes on in some details about the reauthorized version is better than the original.

So, I will be supporting the PATRIOT Act compromise. But I urge my
colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties
protections in the PATRIOT Act after it is reauthorized.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_cr/s021606.html

I'd have to guess he's answered most of these questions already. It's not like support for the war didn't come up during the primaries. That's not to say he shouldn't answer them again, but if you're really interested in answers why not look to see what he's already said?
 
I have a question to what am I doing in the politics section have to return to the sane site the Conspiracies section Bye Bye.
 
I think the real skeptical questions about Obama's record would be those votes that fly in the face of reason and evidence.
1. the no vote on CAFTA (no conceivable reason to vote this down other than to appease certain lobbies)
2. the latest farm bill which renewed corn ethanol subsidies (food prices going up more? sounds good)

Those are the 2 egregious ones from this year that stick out to me.
 
More like he didn't want the soldiers to commit suicide because they don't have the right equipment/supplies. It's not their fault that Bush was either clueless or manipulative.

So its not okay for them to die because Bush made a mistake... but.... its okay for Iraqis to die if Obama pulls out troops too quickly? After all, its Bush's mistake were there, Obama should act to mitigate the consquences, right?
 
More like he didn't want the soldiers to commit suicide because they don't have the right equipment/supplies. It's not their fault that Bush was either clueless or manipulative.
Actually, this article highlights things a little better: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/22/obama_defends_votes_in_favor_of_iraq_funding/
As a candidate for his Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama said repeatedly that he would have voted against an $87 billion war budget that had been requested by President Bush.

"When I was asked, 'Would I have voted for the $87 billion,' I said 'no,' " Obama said in a speech before a Democratic community group in suburban Chicago in November 2003. "I said 'no' unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we're not going to stand a chance."

Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring. Liberal groups have demanded that lawmakers cut off funds for the war as a way to force its end, but Obama has joined most Democrats in the House and Senate in saying he would not take such a move.

Obama explained that position yesterday by saying that his initial opposition to the $87 billion was based on the fact that $20 billion of that sum was earmarked for reconstruction projects that he feared would be awarded by the White House in no-bid contracts.

Obama has also said repeatedly that while he would have voted against the war in 2002 based on what he knew at the time, he could not be sure that classified intelligence reporters made available to senators wouldn't have changed his mind.

In yesterday's conference call, he had no such doubts. "I am certain that I would have voted to oppose this war," he said.
 
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Although I don't want to hijack this thread to be about Nader, (especially since you started a thread more or less about him) but this is kind of related so I would like to say that I agree with him on a whole lot and am generally sympathetic with the idea of third parties. (In fact, in a different election I might vote for him, although the fact that I live in Massachusetts and thus am shielded from the spoiler effect since Massachusetts is going to the Democrats either way.) But what has come to annoy me about Nader is that he seems to have given up on pragmatism and compromise. (Goldwater was a dick; extremism in the defense of liberty totally is a vice, and moderation in pursuit of justice totally is a virtue.) There's nothing wrong with running an unwinnable presidential campaign to help get across important issues that other parties avoid, but Nader too often phrases things not in those terms but in terms of fulfilling a fundamental duty for him to run for election, which is just lame.

A good politician must always be willing to sacrifice an unattainable good for the sake of a lesser but more attainable good. Ultimately, this is the foundation of democracy, since either consensus is built into the system or minority parties have to be willing to acknowledge defeat rather than try to wage a revolution to take over the government or whatever. This is one of the things I've liked about Obama is that although he seems fairly liberal, (although this is overstated at times) he seems to be very willing to compromise on that to get results which are nice too. Barack Obama: Change you can feel okay about if that's fine with you.

1. If you are against the War in Iraq, why did you repeatedly vote for more funding of that war?

He's against the war, but he's not for everyone getting on a plane and leaving tomorrow, and even if he was there's no way that can make that happen. (I suspect that if Congress had withheld funds entirely, Bush would've done every dirty trick he could to keep them over there anyway, although I might be paranoid in this matter.) Additionally, as long as the war is going on, it is better for their goals to be done as efficiently as possible while they're there. (Even though we should leave, as long as we're still there we might as well try to do what we can.)

5. Why should we trust you to handle the sub-prime mortgage crisis, when some of your biggest campaign contributions are from the very banks and corporate law firms that helped create that crisis?

They're individual contributors, not the companies themselves, which are legally prohibited from giving money. How it works is that people who give more than $200 are required to give where they work. (And for the record, the maximum is $4600 ($2300 for the general, $2300 for the primary) so it's not like any one fatcat is giving him millions of dollars, unless said fatcat is breaking the law like hell.) The fact that Obama recieves a lot of money from people who work at financial institutions and corporate law firms could mean that there's some ulterior motives going on, or it could just mean that those are just companies that hire a lot of people who make enough money to be comfortable making biggish contributions to candidates, which I think is very plausible. At any rate I think that Obama's proposals for the sub-prime mortgage crisis seem broadly reasonable.
 
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There's a word for candidates like Nader:

Stalking Horse

He is a distraction. All he can do is take some votes from the democrat and increase the odds that the republican will win.

Just because you are against the war in Iraq, it doesn't necessarily follow that you should cut off funding for the troops while they are still there. If you want to end the war, you need someone in the White House who wants to end the War. A vote for Nader increases the possibility that McCain will win and the war will be prolonged.
 
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Sure. USA should not fund the Iraq war and help Iraq. Yeah let the USA do to Iraq what they did to South Vietnam. I wonder how Ralph Nader, Mike Gravel or Ron Paul would end the Iraq war? Pull the troops out, cut all the funding and help to Iraq and let Iraq become another South Vietnam? I guess history repeats itself and the americans never learn. Just don"t invade anymore countries if you are going to turn your back on them, but I guess the people in the USA never learn?
 

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