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Questions for Christians

RCNelson

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Questions for Christians:

Question 1:
If you could go back in time to be a passive spectator of the actual crucifixion of Jesus before returning to the present time, would you do it?

Question 2:
If you could go back in time to rescue Jesus from being crucified and get him to a safe location before returning to the present time, would you do it knowing that the world to which you return would be one in which Jesus never died for anyone's sins because he was rescued from crucifixion?
 
RCNelson said:
Questions for Christians:

Question 1:
If you could go back in time to be a passive spectator of the actual crucifixion of Jesus before returning to the present time, would you do it?

Question 2:
If you could go back in time to rescue Jesus from being crucified and get him to a safe location before returning to the present time, would you do it knowing that the world to which you return would be one in which Jesus never died for anyone's sins because he was rescued from crucifixion?
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Not a Christian myself, but I like your second question as a scenario for a story.

I go back in time to 33CE, and rescue some alleged Messiah who happens to be named Yeshua. I don't use any modern firepower that would give me away, I bundle him off to my time machine just before the Romans get him.

When we get back to present, nothing has changed, because the Gospel writers made the rest up. :D
 
I've always been confused about the crucifixion.

If Jesus had to die for our sins and that was God's plan, surely Christians should be thanking the Jews & Romans for the essential role they played in saving mankind?

If, however, Jesus should not have died and it was all the fault of those dirty Jews who murdered our Lord and Saviour, how do we all get to be saved without Jesus taking our sins upon himself and paying the price for those sins?
 
iain said:
I've always been confused about the crucifixion.

If Jesus had to die for our sins and that was God's plan, surely Christians should be thanking the Jews & Romans for the essential role they played in saving mankind?
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Yes, and why no 'St Judas'?
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Peter Jenkins said:

Yes, and why no 'St Judas'?
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Yeah...Judas - the man who made our salvation possible!


I think he´s underappreciated...
 
Some Friggin Guy said:


According to some people there is.
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And St. Jude (another one of the Twelve) was really another Judas; Jude is an English form adopted to distinguish him from Judas Iscariot.
 
RCNelson said:
Questions for Christians:

Question 1:
If you could go back in time to be a passive spectator of the actual crucifixion of Jesus before returning to the present time, would you do it?
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No.

Question 2:
If you could go back in time to rescue Jesus from being crucified and get him to a safe location before returning to the present time, would you do it knowing that the world to which you return would be one in which Jesus never died for anyone's sins because he was rescued from crucifixion? [/B]
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No.

I would not go back in time under any circumstance. In my opinion humans can not possibly go back in time. If I had supernatural aid, I would reject that as being demonic in nature. It is my belief that God would never offer a human the possibility of going back in time.

-Elliot
 
iain said:
I've always been confused about the crucifixion.

If Jesus had to die for our sins and that was God's plan, surely Christians should be thanking the Jews & Romans for the essential role they played in saving mankind?
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Yes, Jesus did have to die for our sins, but he did not have to be crucified.

Why should I thank individuals (I'm not going to refer to them as groups as you do) for torturing God?

It would have been enough for Jesus to die of natural causes. That he was tortured was known due to omniscience, but the choice to torture and execute were made due to free will, perhaps influenced by Satan, but perhaps not.

If, however, Jesus should not have died and it was all the fault of those dirty Jews who murdered our Lord and Saviour, how do we all get to be saved without Jesus taking our sins upon himself and paying the price for those sins?
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No, Jesus had to die because he was born, you are missing the point. He didn't have to be murdered. He would have taken on our sins by just succumbing to natural death.

-Elliot
 
elliotfc said:
No, Jesus had to die because he was born, you are missing the point. He didn't have to be murdered. He would have taken on our sins by just succumbing to natural death.
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Elliot,

I think that the Jewish God was about blood sacrifices for appeasement, debt payment, and worship. I also thought the term lamb of God descended form the Abraham and Isaac story where Isaac was spared his father's knife because of the lamb that appeared caught in a bush nearby. Abraham had told Isaac God will provide the sacrifice. Abraham, the first Jew, had every intentention to slay his own son in ritualistic appeasement and in perfect faith, we believe, that God had the power to raise Isaac from the dead. That is what a loving God would do after all to any Dad murdering his son at God's request.

The Jesus story has Jesus in all 3 roles. A Jewish son, the slaughtered lamb, and God with the power to raise him up. As a sacrifice to God he was lifted up to Heaven.

Early Christians, at least, would have recognized the "sacrifice" as an extension of the required traditions.

Am I way off base here?
 
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Abdul Alhazred said:


Not a Christian myself, but I like your second question as a scenario for a story.

I go back in time to 33CE, and rescue some alleged Messiah who happens to be named Yeshua. I don't use any modern firepower that would give me away, I bundle him off to my time machine just before the Romans get him.
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It's been written. "The Last Starship from Earth", John Boyd. Published in 1968, I believe.

--Terry.
 
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Terry said:


It's been written. "The Last Starship from Earth", John Boyd. Published in 1968, I believe.

--Terry.
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Thank you. I'll have to look that up.
 
A1: no, i'm afraid i'd have to relive my divorce experience again as well. i only want to do that once in my lifetime. aw heck, maybe i'll get divorced again if its in style. ;)

A2: no, he had a "mission" to go on during his lifetime, he had to preach and then he had to die. that was his purpose in being here. so he accomplished what he set out to do. i imagine his life was not easy. think about it, every day he knew he was going to die and by a certain method. none of us know how we will die. he knew the method, the time, and the date of his death. i would think it not easy to live like that --- with that hanging over your head. the unknown would be much more tolerable to me.
 
Riddick said:
none of us know how we will die. he knew the method, the time, and the date of his death. i would think it not easy to live like that --- with that hanging over your head. the unknown would be much more tolerable to me.
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Actually, I think I'd like to know. Think of how much less time you'd waste and how many fewer conflicts and petty disagreements you'd have if you knew just how little time you had. You would focus on priorities, committments, seizing the day etc. This is part of the Buddhist focus on our own mortality. things change when you think "this may be the last time I X, Y or Z"

There are practical reasons too. I'd love to know whether I really need to deprive myself today to save for a retirement that may or may not materialize. I'd like to know if I should really be working this hard to build a career that may be over in a week or 30 years.

Yup, I'd love to know. Planning would be much more efficient. Life would be much more joyous.

Sorry for the derailment. Just something I"ve been thinking about.
 
RCNelson said:
Questions for Christians:

Question 1:
If you could go back in time to be a passive spectator of the actual crucifixion of Jesus before returning to the present time, would you do it?

Question 2:
If you could go back in time to rescue Jesus from being crucified and get him to a safe location before returning to the present time, would you do it knowing that the world to which you return would be one in which Jesus never died for anyone's sins because he was rescued from crucifixion?
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There is no such thing as Freewill (at least not with an omniscient Creator), denying God's will is fundamentally incoherent. :D
 
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