RKOwens4
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The explosions taking place in the World Trade Center lobbies, basement, and several floors above is one of the most tricky subjects to understand (to me anyway). There are a few points I'm struggling to comprehend:
1.) After Flight 11 struck the north tower, exactly what and which shaft(s) caused the damage in the lobby? Some websites (namely Gravy's) suggest that only two elevators (#6 and #50) whose cables ran through the point of the plane's impact could have fallen all the way to the bottom of the shaft in the sub-basement pit. Arturo Griffith and another passenger in car #50 survived when the emergency brakes caught, so did this car have anything to do with the lobby/basement damage? Car #6 seems to have plunged all the way down, coming to a stop at the basement pit - so did a fireball travel down this shaft and come out on all basement levels AND the lobby? Did any elevators plumet to the lobby, in either the North or South Tower lobby?
2.) Conspiracists often bring up an audio recording of an explosion taking place about 9 seconds after the plane impact ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwMpXa84Nis ). Is this car #6 crashing when it reaches the basement? Car #6 ran between the lobby and Windows on the World at the top of the building. I was thinking that if the car had been stopped at the restaurant when its cables were sliced, a free fall time before it reached the basement pit would be somewhere around 9 to 9.5 seconds, which fits with the recording. Does this make any sense or was the boom caused by something else?
3.) On which floors did explosions take place? Some documentaries suggest 4 in the North Tower, but some websites (like Gravy's) suggest many, many dozen. In either case, does anyone know if these were caused by cars hitting the bottom of their shafts, or just fireballs randomly exploding outward on certain floors on its way down (before reaching the bottom of the shaft).
4.) And finally, a William Rodriguez question. He claims to have been the last person pulled from the rubble. Many others have pointed out that this isn't true at all, and that Genelle Guzman was the 20th and last person pulled from the rubble, but I can't find any list showing that William Rodriguez is even among the 20 people pulled from the rubble. There's 16 people who were in stairwell B, an officer and civilian who were trapped in the concourse after the South Tower collapsed, and then John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno. 20 people. No mention of William Rodriguez even being among the 20, much less the last person to be pulled out alive. He claims to have dove under a firetruck when the North Tower collapsed, but does anyone know how and when he made it out? Is there any evidence of him actually having to be "pulled out"? Is he among the 20 pulled out?
1.) After Flight 11 struck the north tower, exactly what and which shaft(s) caused the damage in the lobby? Some websites (namely Gravy's) suggest that only two elevators (#6 and #50) whose cables ran through the point of the plane's impact could have fallen all the way to the bottom of the shaft in the sub-basement pit. Arturo Griffith and another passenger in car #50 survived when the emergency brakes caught, so did this car have anything to do with the lobby/basement damage? Car #6 seems to have plunged all the way down, coming to a stop at the basement pit - so did a fireball travel down this shaft and come out on all basement levels AND the lobby? Did any elevators plumet to the lobby, in either the North or South Tower lobby?
2.) Conspiracists often bring up an audio recording of an explosion taking place about 9 seconds after the plane impact ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwMpXa84Nis ). Is this car #6 crashing when it reaches the basement? Car #6 ran between the lobby and Windows on the World at the top of the building. I was thinking that if the car had been stopped at the restaurant when its cables were sliced, a free fall time before it reached the basement pit would be somewhere around 9 to 9.5 seconds, which fits with the recording. Does this make any sense or was the boom caused by something else?
3.) On which floors did explosions take place? Some documentaries suggest 4 in the North Tower, but some websites (like Gravy's) suggest many, many dozen. In either case, does anyone know if these were caused by cars hitting the bottom of their shafts, or just fireballs randomly exploding outward on certain floors on its way down (before reaching the bottom of the shaft).
4.) And finally, a William Rodriguez question. He claims to have been the last person pulled from the rubble. Many others have pointed out that this isn't true at all, and that Genelle Guzman was the 20th and last person pulled from the rubble, but I can't find any list showing that William Rodriguez is even among the 20 people pulled from the rubble. There's 16 people who were in stairwell B, an officer and civilian who were trapped in the concourse after the South Tower collapsed, and then John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno. 20 people. No mention of William Rodriguez even being among the 20, much less the last person to be pulled out alive. He claims to have dove under a firetruck when the North Tower collapsed, but does anyone know how and when he made it out? Is there any evidence of him actually having to be "pulled out"? Is he among the 20 pulled out?
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