Question about the test Dr. Jones did not do!

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Has anyone else done impact tests on Steel and Aluminum, I got some interesting findings in mine, I think that the impact of the plane alone was not what caused the major damage.
Steel does not react well with Aluminum, so it can actually embed into the Aluminum then when exposed to heat it burns. That produces Iron oxide in direct contact with Aluminum. Do you think it is worth pursuing?
What I found it you hit the steel hard enough it fractures into peaces and dust, the dust can be embedded in the Aluminum or in the oxide, it does not burn until heated, and in some cases, it forms a conduit to provide Oxygen to the Aluminum.
What I am wondering is if some of this material could have been formed in the initial Impact and could it have raised the temperature of the initial blast front, above the temperature of the Burning Jet fuel.
If so when air once again hit the steel in the central core, some of it might have actually began burning down toward the basement, because of a chimney effect. That would have greatly increased the temperatures in the central core causing it to fail first. The steel would have to burn downward, pulled by gravity, as it would have been impossible for it to have been pulled upward against gravity.

It is the same principal that forms the glowing yellow aluminum-steel-carbon mixture that I believe is the molten material that is dripping form the towers that I intend to document as soon as possible.
PS, Dr Jones never mixed fine steel dust into his samples that was all he left out I did the same experiment only added steel dust and got a very different reaction.
Please tell me what you think, any opinion or knowledge would he helpful.

 

[Gravy]

Has anyone else done impact tests on Steel and Aluminum, I got some interesting findings in mine, I think that the impact of the plane alone was not what caused the major damage.
Steel does not react well with Aluminum, so it can actually embed into the Aluminum then when exposed to heat it burns. That produces Iron oxide in direct contact with Aluminum. Do you think it is worth pursuing?
What I found it you hit the steel hard enough it fractures into peaces and dust, the dust can be embedded in the Aluminum or in the oxide, it does not burn until heated, and in some cases, it forms a conduit to provide Oxygen to the Aluminum.
What I am wondering is if some of this material could have been formed in the initial Impact and could it have raised the temperature of the initial blast front, above the temperature of the Burning Jet fuel.
If so when air once again hit the steel in the central core, some of it might have actually began burning down toward the basement, because of a chimney effect. That would have greatly increased the temperatures in the central core causing it to fail first. The steel would have to burn downward, pulled by gravity, as it would have been impossible for it to have been pulled upward against gravity.

It is the same principal that forms the glowing yellow aluminum-steel-carbon mixture that I believe is the molten material that is dripping form the towers that I intend to document as soon as possible.
PS, Dr Jones never mixed fine steel dust into his samples that was all he left out I did the same experiment only added steel dust and got a very different reaction.
Please tell me what you think, any opinion or knowledge would he helpful.

Interesting, but none of that is necessary to cause what NIST says was the likely mechanism of collapse: the sagging of floor trusses leading to an inward pull on the outer columns.

 

[Josh Redstone]

That is interesting stuff....it's also interesting that Sephen E. Jones apprently never thought of this.
Would any of you say that this demostrates even further the shoddy investigations of Dr. Jones?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

i believe this demonstrates jones's tendancy to jump at a predetermined conclusion rather than explore alternative explanations

however i do not believe this happened at the WTC, i havent seen any evidence of a thermite reaction, youd think someone would have foudn aluminum oxide deposits

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Interesting, but none of that is necessary to cause what NIST says was the likely mechanism of collapse: the sagging of floor trusses leading to an inward pull on the outer columns.

True but it would make the sagging more pronounced, and it would weaken the central core giving it less resistance, leading to a faster collapse needing less energy to do the same work.

I have seen it in all the collisions pieces of Iron oxide, and Steel, embedded in the Aluminum, below the oxide coating. Also on occasion I actually got the steel to burn in air, but my collisions could not produce enough mass for a sustained steel oxidizing reaction.
You have to have sufficient heating where the heat generated is enough to continue the reaction, as long as a strong air current is present.
That is why the steel can not burn upward, only down where the mass of burning steel can form.
Plus if the trusses burned themselves they would have sagged even more because of the weakening that would cause.
What I have Found out is that the lower portion of the building may have been more damaged than previously thought and the evidence does point to it.
I am sorry that I can not be more precise I am still working on this, I just wanted to know if it was worth the continued effort now.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

If I am right temperatures close to those produced by an oxygen lance could have occured in Isolated pockets of the buildings.

http://www.thermolance.com/Thermolance_Oxygen_Lance/thermolance_oxygen_lance.htm