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Question about Memory Storages?

Kumar

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Hello all,

As you know that I am in search of 'how memory can be stored', I tried to read on internet. But it is too technical for me. I am therefore trying to translate it by discussing, here. I could notice few sites, which can be somewhat helpful in this regard:-

Computer storage

semiconductor

Fundamental semiconductor physics
In the parlance of solid-state physics, semiconductors (and insulators) are defined as solids in which at 0 K (and without excitations) the uppermost band of occupied electron energy states is completely full. It is well-known from solid-state physics that electrical conduction in solids occurs only via electrons in partially-filled bands, so conduction in pure semiconductors occurs only when electrons have been excited--thermally, optically, etc.--into higher unfilled bands.

At room temperature, a proportion (generally very small, but not negligible) of electrons in a semiconductor have been thermally excited from the "valence band," the band filled at 0 K, to the "conduction band," the next higher band. The ease with which electrons can be excited from the valence band to the conduction band depends on the energy gap between the bands, and it is the size of this energy bandgap that serves as an arbitrary dividing line between semiconductors and insulators. Semiconductors generally have bandgaps of approximately 1 electron-volt, while insulators have bandgaps several times greater.

When electrons are excited from the valence band to the conduction band in a semiconductor, both bands contribute to conduction, because electrical conduction can occur in any partially-filled energy band. The current-carrying electrons in the conduction band are known as "free electrons," though often they are simply called "electrons" if context allows this usage to be clear. The free energy-states in the valence band are known as "holes." It can be shown that holes behave very much like positively-charged counterparts of electrons, and they are usually treated as if they are real charged particles.

semiconductor memory
Semiconductor memory is a generic term referring to any computer storage method implemented on a semiconductor-based integrated circuit. Examples of semiconductor memory include static RAM (SRAM), which relies on transistors, and dynamic RAM (DRAM), which uses capacitors to store the bits.

Semiconductor materials
Aluminium arsenide
Aluminium gallium arsenide
Boron nitride
Diamond
Gallium arsenide
Gallium nitride
Germanium
Indium phosphide
Silicon
Silicon carbide
Silicon germanide
Silicon on insulator
Wide bandgap semiconductors
Spintronics
Organic semiconductors

Now, I want to understand:-

1. Whether Carbon can be considered as a semi-conductor(Diamond is mentioned) for this purpose?

2. What about Hydrogen for this purpose?

3. Which type/s of storage of memory is/are used for 'human's memory?

Rest all is as usual.

Best Wishes.
 
Human memory works in a completely different way than computer memory. If you want to understand how human memory works, you need to start by learning about neural networks. Once you understand the basics of how they work, you should read up on some neuroscience.

Dr. Stupid
 
Kumar said:


1. Whether Carbon can be considered as a semi-conductor(Diamond is mentioned) for this purpose?

2. What about Hydrogen for this purpose?

3. Which type/s of storage of memory is/are used for 'human's memory?

Rest all is as usual.

Best Wishes.

1. Google implies that in certain conditions diamond can behave as a semiconductor. If you show genuine sensible interest in this factoid I'll have a deeper dig and provide links.

2. Noâ„¢Pixymisa 2005
Hyrdogen is gaseous at sea level/room temperature. I don't believe gases can behave as semiconductors.

3. Noâ„¢Pixymisa 2005
As Stimpson says, semiconductors have nothing to do with human memory.

As Stimpson doesn't say, but I do: You are quite silly not to be able to work that out for yourself. Honestly. If you have enough language skills to ask us these questions in a semi-intelligible fashion then you have the ability to type "Human Memory" into Google and educate yourself.

I think I just had a psychic flash: Kumar is going to ignore all of the above and ramble some incoherent nonsense about silicon/silca/silacea/whatever in regards to human memory, and will probably imply that his oogy-boogy medicine holds cures for Alzheimer's, autism etc.
 
Kumar said:
As you know that I am in search of 'how memory can be stored', I tried to read on internet. But it is too technical for me.

Kumar, even homeopathy is too technical for you.

Why don't you leave poor science alone and focus on something else ? You may shine in sports or politics, who knows ?
 
Kumar said:
Hello all,

As you know that I am in search of 'how memory can be stored', I tried to read on internet. But it is too technical for me.

*sniip*

. Whether Carbon can be considered as a semi-conductor(Diamond is mentioned) for this purpose?

2. What about Hydrogen for this purpose?

3. Which type/s of storage of memory is/are used for 'human's memory?

Rest all is as usual.

Best Wishes.
Computer memory basically works like an array of switches. To store a number (and in a computer, all is boiled down to numbers), a group of switches are set in an appropriate code pattern. The code used is binary. Binary numbers are as follows=

0=0
1=1

(easy so far, but watch out!)

2=10
3=11
4=100
5=101
6=110

....etc.

Imagine that 0=open switch, and 1= closed switch, and you have a basic idea of how a computer memory works. Now, computers that were using actual switches (relays) were built in first half of the 20th century, but they were slow and primitive. Later, vacuum tubes were used, but even house-sized vacuum tube computers had less capacity than an average modern pocket calculator.

The present revolution in computers was made possible by semiconductors. Semiconductor technology enables us to cram millions of switches onto a single crystal surface of less than a square centimetre.

So what is a semiconductor? A semiconductor is a crystal lattice of an element that does not conduct electricity in pure condition. By introducing the right impurities, it is possible to make it conduct in a very controllable way. By using a long and complicated row of photochemical processes, a complex electronic circuitry can be etched and built onto the surface of a semiconductor crystal.

Several substances are useful for this purpose, but by far the most commonly used is silicon. Others are germanium (obsolete for most purposes) and various gallium arsenide compounds. On the experimental level is diamond, which some think holds promise of becoming the ultimate semiconductor. Various other substances are being explored.

Carbon:

Carbon is not normally used as a semiconductor, since it is a conductor in most forms. However, it cannot be ruled out that nanotchnology might bring us carbon semiconductor components.

Hydrogen:

Hydrogen is theorized to have a crystalline form under extreme pressures and temperatures near the absolute zero. We don't know enough about this form to be able to say whether a semiconductor could be formed from it, but since it has only one valence bond (semiconductor structures play with valence bonds), this is unlikely, and it will certainly not be useful under any conditions prevailing on planet Earth.

Notice that whatever the substance, to act as a semiconductor, it must form a crystal lattice.

Human memory:

Human memory is entirely different. First of all it is not digital, like that of a computer, it is analogue. It works by neural networks, and electrochemistry.

Hans
 
I am guessing here; perhaps Kumar is trying to figure out a non-neural memory storage system, maybe in the skin.
 
Re: Re: Question about Memory Storages?

MRC_Hans said:
Human memory is entirely different. First of all it is not digital, like that of a computer, it is analogue. It works by neural networks, and electrochemistry.

Yes, but would possible to say the role silicea in human memory/brain cell/homeopathic concetration are analogous to silicea chip in pentium computers ? What role of silicea in memory as of interaction of state on/off, like computers or perhaps sleep/wake condition of human mind ?

Best wishes
 
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El Greco said:
Yes, but would possible to say the role silicea in human memory/brain cell/homeopathic concetration are analogous to silicea chip in pentium computers ?

No.
 
Kumar, meet the good ol' basic flipflop. If I thought you were serious about learning how semiconductors work, I'd explain it to you, since it is a very simple circuit. But since it's you, I'd rather try training a pig to fly.
The fact that silicon is not actually relevant to computer memory. Any semiconductor could be used. The memory capability is not derived form the material, but from the configuration.
 
Re: Re: Re: Question about Memory Storages?

El Greco said:
Yes, but would possible to say the role silicea in human memory/brain cell/homeopathic concetration are analogous to silicea chip in pentium computers ?

There is no silicea chip in computers. I don't even know what "silicea" is, chemically.

Most computer chips are based on silicon, starting with a carefully grown crystal of very pure silicon. I doubt that pure crystalline silicon has any resemblance to homeopathic "silicea", whatever that is.

Chips need not be silicon. Gallium arsenide works very well, in fact is superior to silicon for many purposes because it doesn't get as hot so you can make faster chips out of it (there's a relation between clock speed and heat dissipation). One of the Cray supercomputers was the first all-GaAs computer as I recall.

To make useful electronics, it is not the silicon, but trace impurities you introduce into the silicon that give various parts of the crystal electronically-useful properties.

Summary: Chips are made of "silicon", not silicea, and the silicon is not crucial to their properties.
 
OMG, people are replying to me in the exact same way they reply to Kumar. That scares the hell out of me :eek:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Memory Storages?

rppa said:
There is no silicea chip in computers. I don't even know what "silicea" is, chemically.

Most computer chips are based on silicon, starting with a carefully grown crystal of very pure silicon. I doubt that pure crystalline silicon has any resemblance to homeopathic "silicea", whatever that is.

Chips need not be silicon. Gallium arsenide works very well, in fact is superior to silicon for many purposes because it doesn't get as hot so you can make faster chips out of it (there's a relation between clock speed and heat dissipation). One of the Cray supercomputers was the first all-GaAs computer as I recall.

To make useful electronics, it is not the silicon, but trace impurities you introduce into the silicon that give various parts of the crystal electronically-useful properties.

Summary: Chips are made of "silicon", not silicea, and the silicon is not crucial to their properties.
I think El Greco might have been imitating a certain someone.
 
El Greco said:
OMG, people are replying to me in the exact same way they reply to Kumar. That scares the hell out of me :eek:
Impersonating a Kumar is a crime punishable by condescension, mocking and a patronizing tone. Which also happens to be the punishment for being a Kumar.
 
El Greco said:
OMG, people are replying to me in the exact same way they reply to Kumar. That scares the hell out of me :eek:

Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you.
 
new drkitten said:
Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you.
Even Nietzsche couldn't conceive of the concept of a post by Kumar.
 
El Greco said:
OMG, people are replying to me in the exact same way they reply to Kumar. That scares the hell out of me :eek:

Until I read this, I thought I *had* been talking to Kumar. I just noticed the question, not the name attached to it.

That was a spookily-convincing imitation. You should be scared.
 
I can only hope I'm not gradually turning into a Kumaroid by some strange game of genetics.
 
Mr.Hans,

Thanks for detailed information. In this view, can water/alcohol serve as a semiconductor?

Semiconductors have many useful properties that insulators and conductors do not possess. These properties are based on the fact that an electron can jump from the valence band to the conduction band and vice versa. Temperature can give this little extra energy to an electron and make it jump to the conduction band thus creating a hole in the valence band.
Light can also give this energy boost and create what we call an electron-hole pair: a free electron and a free hole: this phenomenon is called absorption. Photoconductivity is the increase of current in a semiconductor due to the absorption of photons. Light has a dual nature: it behaves as a wave and as a particle. The particle associated with light is called a photon. Photons can have different energies.
When light illuminates a semiconductor:
· the photons with the right energy are absorbed by the material
· the electrons from the valence band have enough energy to jump to the
conduction band
· the conductivity increases due to the higher number of electrons in the
conduction band.
Electroluminescence is the conversion of electrical energy into light. Let's consider electrons in the conduction band. These electrons are in an excited state: they have gained some energy to jump to the conduction band.

Such electrons eventually fall back into the valence band in a lower energy state:
· they release the extra energy that they have
· this energy is emitted as a photon
Photons emitted by electroluminescence come out in random directions: this type of light is called incoherent light. For instance light from a light bulb is incoherent. Stimulated emission is a little bit like electroluminescence except that it is not a spontaneous process: the excited electron is forced into jumping back to the valence band and emitting a photon.
http://ceaspub.eas.asu.edu/widebandgap/NewPages/SCbasics.html

What is this? Is it common to all semiconductors?
 
Kumar said:
Thanks for detailed information. In this view, can water/alcohol serve as a semiconductor?

No.

From your initial post:

In the parlance of solid-state physics, semiconductors (and insulators) are defined as solids in which at 0 K (and without excitations) the uppermost band of occupied electron energy states is completely full.

Water is not a solid. Water does not have a conduction band. Water does not have a valance band.

What is this? Is it common to all semiconductors?

You posted a long article with a lot of information. What does the word "this" refer to?
 

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