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Quantum Pendant Needs Debunking

Fnord

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I recently hurt my back, and was laid up for a few days. Later, I was comisserating with my dentist, and she recommended that I purchase a "Quantum Pendant" because one of her other patients swears that it cured her back problems.

Okay, so I'm now looking for a new dentist, but that's beside the point.

The point is, that when I went looking for information on debunking this obvious piece of quackery, all I found was the manufacturer's website ...

FUSIONEXCEL

... and several other websites (including eBay) selling this drek.

I need RealScience info that thoroughly debunks this hokum so that I can send it to my former dentist with the request for transfer of records.

A little help, please? I apologize if this has been posted before.

Thank you.
 
Similar concept, except this "Quantum Pendant" looks like one of those home-made ceramic "Prayer Discs" you can get at some Buddhist temples (sorry, no link for those).

The general beliefs and claims are the same, but I'm looking for debunking of this specific flim-flam.
 
Except for the fact that they got Dr. Emoto to show up, it seems to have a large number of Malaysian, Thai and Indonesian sports stars on its page...I can't really find details on this product except for their pretty funny youtube demos.

What a badly designed website.
 
Similar concept, except this "Quantum Pendant" looks like one of those home-made ceramic "Prayer Discs" you can get at some Buddhist temples (sorry, no link for those).

The general beliefs and claims are the same, but I'm looking for debunking of this specific flim-flam.
Well, can't debunk it unless we know the claims of how it works and what it does.
 
Personally, I think any merchandised product that has "Quantum" in the title tends to debunk itself.
 
The claims are found on THIS PAGE.

Note the disclaimer at the bottom.
 
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The claims are found on THIS PAGE.

Note the disclaimer at the bottom.


From the link (bolding mine):
The scalar energy from the pendant works outwardly and within the body. Outwardly scalar energy enhances the body’s biofield. Inwardly it works to facilitate cell permeability and thereby enhances the many physiological functions of the cells in the body.


Doesn't this make it "vector energy"?

:rolleyes:
 
FusionExcel’s Quantum Pendant is made from natural minerals that are fused and structurally bonded together at a molecular level.
As opposed to a transmeditative level?

It produces scalar energy that helps to enhance the body’s biofield. The Quantum Pendant promotes positive flow of en¬ergy and helps to maintain energy balance. It helps to restore en¬ergy that has become weak in the body. By restoring the energy balance in the body this pendant helps one to maintain health and well-being.
Replace "energy" with Energy=Force x Distance and see if this makes sense.

  • Reduces inflammation
  • Promotes unclumping of cells
  • Enhances circulation
  • Enhances immune and endocrine systems
  • Has the ability to destroy viruses and bacteria
  • Enhances cellular nutrition and detoxification
  • Enhances cellular permeability
  • Increases energy
  • Helps to protect DNA from damage
  • Helps to retard the ageing process
  • Helps to fight cancer cells
  • Strengthens the body’s biofield preventing
    electro-magnetic waves from affecting one’s health
  • Increases focus and concentration
  • Everything is vague woo claims as usual except the few highlighted ones that can be tested.
 
ROFL :)

Thanks for that link, now that's funny stuff. Starting from the top:

FusionExcel’s Quantum Pendant is made from natural minerals

Are there any other kinds of minerals?

that are fused and structurally bonded together at a molecular level.

... like everything except the last column in Mendeleev's periodic table is. And that last column are all gasses.

It produces scalar energy

All energy is scalar. Now if we were talking about impulse or a field, we might have had vectors or tensors, but energy is by definition scalar.

Though later they go "For a more comprehensive understanding of scalar energy, please refer to the book “Optimum Energy for Peak Performance with Scalar Energy”, written by Dr. Siva Poobalasingam MD and Nisha Lakshmanan MA (published by FusionExcel International)." which would seem to indicate that they think scalar energy is some different kind of energy. Also that they don't really understand words like "scalar".

that helps to enhance the body’s biofield.

... what's a biofield and what units is it measured in, anyway?

The Quantum Pendant promotes positive flow of energy and helps to maintain energy balance.

Flow from where to where, and what counts as "positive flow." Is it better if energy flows clockwise than counter-clockwise? Or how do you measure a positive or negative flow anyway?

It helps to restore energy that has become weak in the body.

Now that's just nonsense. Too little or too much energy would at least have some meaning (you know, like when a battery goes flat), but energy becoming weak is a nonsense in scientific terms. (Since that's the terms they use for their mumbo-jumbo, I feel that it's not unreasonable to expect them to mean those words.)

Inwardly it works to facilitate cell permeability and thereby enhances the many physiological functions of the cells in the body.

Cell permeability is regulated by proteins in the cell wall, to keep very controlled chemical conditions inside the cell. They let in exactly as much as needed of what is needed, and let out whatever they don't want inside.

Increasing the cell permeability across the board would _kill_.

To get an idea, one mechanism that your immune system uses to kill bacteria is to make a very permeable hole on their membrane. IIRC 3 protein pieces assemble in a round frame on the membrane, essentially putting a hole in the cell. It's deadly.

And physiological activity of cells is a function of what is actually needed at the moment. Also see the considerations a bit later about cell metabolism.

Promotes unclumping of cells

Exactly how would cells become clumped in the first place, and exactly what does that even mean?

Enhances circulation

Circulation is part of a self-regulating feedback loop, so ideally cells get exactly as much oxygen and nutrients as they need. Things like nicotine or cholesterol can get in the way locally, but across the board increasing it is just a waste.

Enhances immune and endocrine systems

In an age where many diseases are auto-immune, and where we had a flu epidemic less than a century ago which killed precisely by an immune-system chain reaction, that's something I'd want as an option that can be turned off. Like having it in a separate pendant ;)

Has the ability to destroy viruses and bacteria

Really? Exactly how? And if it's that broad spectrum, how does it distinguish against _good_ bacteria, like those in your gut? Or do you start s**tting your guts out like after strong antibiotics?

Enhances cellular nutrition and detoxification

Cell metabolism produces superoxide, which is deadly to the cell itself. There are enzymes which de-ionize it almost as fast as it is produced, but it's not entirely successful and a lot of aging and cell death is because of that.

And again that's one kiss-of-death that your immune system gives bacteria. It injects an overdose of that stuff, more than the bacteria's own systems can neutralize.

At any rate, faster metabolism usually means aging faster. I'd be worried about anything that promotes cell nutrition above the actually needed level.

Helps to fight cancer cells

Really? Cancerous cells are just normal cells which underwent two mutations in key points: (1) they divide out of controlls, (2) one of the two mechanisms for repairing telomeres (basically resetting the maximum division countdown) activated. But otherwise they work exactly like the normal human cells.

So how would a pendant know which cells are cancerous?

Or if it just kills anything that divides continuously, wouldn't it make your hair and nails fall out, like chemotherapy does? That's some cells continuously dividing right there.

Strengthens the body’s biofield preventing
electro-magnetic waves from affecting one’s health

It first remains to be proven that most electromagnetic waves do anything at all to one's health. Unless they mean stuff like X-Ray and UV-B (and then I'd want to know how,) but I think somehow they mean more like cell phones paranoia.
 
You may safely consider it debunked. The use of quantum and any item of food, medicine or jewelry or any application in anything not specifically included under the heading of quantum physics by actual physicists in the same sentence or phrase is automatically debunked.

The debunker is kindly requested to quantum sucker punch the issuer of such sentence.
 
Hi Fnord.

I think you may be hard-pressed for refutiation of this quantum pendant. It would require either someone with respectable background to take time out of their schedule to write such a thing, or dissatisfied customers voicing their complaints. The former is not foreseeable and the latter is usually not applicable to the buyers of such products.

I think the best you could hope for are forums such as this were topics of this nature are discussed but require study.

My recommendation is that you yourself put together the information that you are desiring rather than rely on some author to do it for you. In the process you would be doing a service for the skeptical community. As a skeptic don't expect the work to be done for you.
 
paximperium said:
  • Reduces inflammation
  • Promotes unclumping of cells
  • Enhances circulation
  • Enhances immune and endocrine systems
  • Has the ability to destroy viruses and bacteria
  • Enhances cellular nutrition and detoxification
  • Enhances cellular permeability
  • Increases energy
  • Helps to protect DNA from damage
  • Helps to retard the ageing process
  • Helps to fight cancer cells
  • Strengthens the body’s biofield preventing
    electro-magnetic waves from affecting one’s health
  • Increases focus and concentration
  • Everything is vague woo claims as usual except the few highlighted ones that can be tested.
Which kind of flies in the face of the disclaimer!
These products are not a medical device, and not intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease.
 
Similar concept, except this "Quantum Pendant" looks like one of those home-made ceramic "Prayer Discs" you can get at some Buddhist temples (sorry, no link for those).

The general beliefs and claims are the same, but I'm looking for debunking of this specific flim-flam.

It's not necessary anymore than it is necessary to debunk a particular brand of homeopathy pills or drops.

All "homeopathy" is nonsense. But anyone can make it and sell it. It would be a waste of effort to do a separate "debunking" for each brand and each individual homeopathy product.

They might sell this same product as an "anti-5G necklace"?

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...active-dutch-nuclear-experts-quantum-pendants

People who wear “anti-5G” pendants to “protect” themselves from radio frequencies emitted by phone masts have been told by the Dutch nuclear authority that their necklaces are dangerously radioactive.

Owners of “quantum pendants” and other “negative ion” jewellery have been advised to store them away, as they have been found to continuously emit ionising radiation.

Anyway, no skeptic will be fooled by this, but gullible people will be.

Here is a more general debunking:

Quantum Snake Oil – A Primer
 


I moved some of the more recent posts about the 5G pendant (which might be the same one) to the current thread,


Worried about 5G?
Posted By: jimbob
 
I'm disappointed this thread isn't about a quantum pedant who needs debunking.
 

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