Putin logic
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I have some understanding of Russian mindset, having escaped it a few years back.
Russia was snipped on the nose quite badly when it came to Iraq. Not only did the advisors they had there recently and the systems they sold to defend failed, but they also now may be exposed for trading illegal items to Iraq.
So now he is trying to be as contrarian as ever, in hope that once he relents on the embargo matter, in turn the West will not press him on the illegal trading. So he is A. flexing his political muscle for the benefit of his people and the worlsd stage and B. setting up a potential negotiation tactic, and a point he can later gracefully concede in excchange for something. Perhaps some oil contracts, more likely suppression of evidence of illegal activity. USA is not going to pick a fight with Russia anyway.
Finally, he claims there are no WMD, and lifting the embargo will let people forget about that issue. He wants to embarass US due to lack of WMD so far as long as possible- also setting up for a point he will concede in exchange for something else he wants.
Russia was snipped on the nose quite badly when it came to Iraq. Not only did the advisors they had there recently and the systems they sold to defend failed, but they also now may be exposed for trading illegal items to Iraq.
So now he is trying to be as contrarian as ever, in hope that once he relents on the embargo matter, in turn the West will not press him on the illegal trading. So he is A. flexing his political muscle for the benefit of his people and the worlsd stage and B. setting up a potential negotiation tactic, and a point he can later gracefully concede in excchange for something. Perhaps some oil contracts, more likely suppression of evidence of illegal activity. USA is not going to pick a fight with Russia anyway.
Finally, he claims there are no WMD, and lifting the embargo will let people forget about that issue. He wants to embarass US due to lack of WMD so far as long as possible- also setting up for a point he will concede in exchange for something else he wants.
renata said:
This is the bit that I find most absurd, due to its failure in logic.
The reason for the trade embargo is due to the possession of WMDs by Iraq and the continuing failure over the past to comply with UNSC resolutions to cooperate with inspectors etc.
The regime is no longer failing to comply with the resolutions, because it has been deposed. As a result there is no longer any real basis for maintaining the embargo.
Also, there is the rampant hypcracy of the position. If Putin has always been so concerned about the welafre of he Iraqi people, why maintain what is now an unecessary economic punishment.
Drooper said:
You are, of course, correct.
However, his argument is more linear
Why was there embargo? B/c of WMD not being disclosed
Therefore the embargo should not be lifted until WMD are found. Lifting the embargo now will shift the focus from WMD to trade, and to Russia's potentially unsavory role in it. So he wants to muddy the waters as long as possible. His point, I guess is put up opr shut up- admit they are not here, and we will drop the embargo, or keep looking for them, encouraging more anger from Iraqis at the fact it is not being lifted.
Russia and hypocracy have had a long and cozy relationship. It was never about starving Iraqi people, it was always about world influence.
The logic is very easy, in fact its very plain to see, unless you still think the rest of the world farts pretty pink powderpuffs, and wishes us goodwill.
The U.S. now has to fund the reconstruction of Iraq. Using Iraqs own oil to fund its own reconstruction was the plan. Our enemies are now sabotaging those efforts, so that U.S. treasury money has to pick up the burdeon. The longer they obstruct, the more they think they are sticking it to us.
More subterfuge directed at the U.S., by communist dictators who feel threatened by our freedom.
Of course not. When we find them, we're going to use them to conqure the world! MU HU HAHAHAHA!
The U.S. now has to fund the reconstruction of Iraq. Using Iraqs own oil to fund its own reconstruction was the plan. Our enemies are now sabotaging those efforts, so that U.S. treasury money has to pick up the burdeon. The longer they obstruct, the more they think they are sticking it to us.
More subterfuge directed at the U.S., by communist dictators who feel threatened by our freedom.
Of course not. When we find them, we're going to use them to conqure the world! MU HU HAHAHAHA!
This Putin is a real Mutt.
He cries about the Iraqi civilian deaths, which were very low because of the tactics used by the Americans and British troops.
Does anyone remember this guy ordered the carpet bombing of Grozny in Chechneya a few years ago? How many civilians were killed?
I think what Putin is really mad about is that his military equipment has turned out to be a joke. He was selling this stuff to the Iraqis for years (Anyone who wants to parrot that the US was the big supplier of Iraq needs to actually look at the record.)
When the war came the Crusaders and M1A1s demolished his T-72s in a manner of minutes. Maybe third world dictators might not be willing to shell out big money for Russian equipment after the war...
He cries about the Iraqi civilian deaths, which were very low because of the tactics used by the Americans and British troops.
Does anyone remember this guy ordered the carpet bombing of Grozny in Chechneya a few years ago? How many civilians were killed?
I think what Putin is really mad about is that his military equipment has turned out to be a joke. He was selling this stuff to the Iraqis for years (Anyone who wants to parrot that the US was the big supplier of Iraq needs to actually look at the record.)
When the war came the Crusaders and M1A1s demolished his T-72s in a manner of minutes. Maybe third world dictators might not be willing to shell out big money for Russian equipment after the war...
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Ha Ha! you guys crack me up!
Was'nt it Bush that said Iraq had WMDs? Weren't the trade sanctions placed on Iraq because Iraq allegedly had WMDs? So what is the problem here? Putin rightly says that unless the WMDs are found and destroyed, sanctions cannot be lifted. So what's your beef again?
Oh! The US wants to make a lot of money by selling Iraq's oil, huh and they can't! So they can use the money to help the Iraqis? Wonder why Bush did not have such humane and noble intentions before the Iraq war?
You guys really crack me up with your hypocrisy!
Was'nt it Bush that said Iraq had WMDs? Weren't the trade sanctions placed on Iraq because Iraq allegedly had WMDs? So what is the problem here? Putin rightly says that unless the WMDs are found and destroyed, sanctions cannot be lifted. So what's your beef again?
Oh! The US wants to make a lot of money by selling Iraq's oil, huh and they can't! So they can use the money to help the Iraqis? Wonder why Bush did not have such humane and noble intentions before the Iraq war?
You guys really crack me up with your hypocrisy!