Put a Fork in her she's done! VfF

Just finished writing this blog about Mark Edward "testing" Anita Ikonen last Saturday night.

I have 8 videos showing the events as they unfolded.

http://montereycountyskeptics.blogspot.com/2010/04/falsifying-anita-ikonen-vision-from.html

Really welcome comments


Classic...

Monterey County Skeptics said:
After scanning him for sometime she gave him a clean bill of health, she said "I can not detect any diseases". When he asked her why she didn't see the "life-threatening disease" he has, she said "she wasn't checking for that". She explained that the scan could go on for hours and she didn't have a check list with her. In her defense she said, "I did not fail, because I didn't say you had something that you did not have".


... simply classic material here.
 
Well, the videos were enlightening, a bit boring but a very good example of just how ineffectual Anita Ikonen is. I wonder if Mark Edward will blog about it.
 
How funny!

Her excuse on the video for missing diabetes is that she doesn't know where diabetes would manifest. However, on her website she writes, "I detect many of what I call "precursors" for diseases that can be present before the problem has become severe enough to be considered an illness, such as breast cancer precursors, and the very common diabetes precursor."

She also told Mark it would take "hours" for a complete work-up. However, she has told us already:
I think it depends on the strength of the vibrational information that forms the perceptions. Perceptions that come to me on their own, from more severe health problems, appear immediately. And in cases where I have to search for information it takes a while longer for the perceptions to form, since the vibrational information is not as strong. Typically it takes from "no time" to a few seconds. Sometimes I spend up to a minute forming images very carefully, if I picked up on a hint of a health problem and want to work on forming the entire perception of it. It really takes very little time. But on a test I want to be allowed more time than it normally takes, just in case.

She also took less than 15 minutes per person in her so-called Study where she was completing a health questionnaire. The readings at the F-A-C-T meetings didn't take hours.

She said she didn't check is his eyes, but she told us before, "I would definitely want to try a test in detecting which out of a group of people is color blind or deaf." She had told us she can see and hear what other see and hear. Her "study" form lists blurry vision as something she can detect.

I wonder if three days from now she will send him an e-mail telling him that she really, really, really, did detect the diabetes but was too afraid of being wrong to say it. This is called the Carslon Maneuver after Dr. Carlson of missing kidney fame.
 
I imagine we'll hear the excuse that counting fingers under a serviette is "remote viewing", which is not the same as "Vision from Feeling" and therefore not a fair test of Anita's abilities.
 
After watching her on the opening video I think Anita does have some connection with the paranormal. Yet she can't really explain it.

From her body language she's seen something out of the ordinary.
 
After watching her on the opening video I think Anita does have some connection with the paranormal. Yet she can't really explain it.

From her body language she's seen something out of the ordinary.

Yes. She's seen extraordinary failure.
Much like you have.
 
After watching her on the opening video I think Anita does have some connection with the paranormal. Yet she can't really explain it.

From her body language she's seen something out of the ordinary.


You might want to do some actual research into this whole matter, lest you make an even more embarrassing post.


Her body language indicates otherwise.


Bummer. Too late.
 
Her body language indicates otherwise.

Please for the love of Mahavishnu Orchestra, PLEASE explain how 'body language' can possibly be an indicator of the supernatural.

If that's the case, Jamiroquai's got paranormal ability in SPADES.
 
That is awesome stuff, I linked to it on my new blog.

Warning: if you visit, be aware that I swear a lot and I harbor no notions of maturity on my blog, and all commenters are welcome to do the same. The gloves are off there :)
 
After watching her on the opening video I think Anita does have some connection with the paranormal. Yet she can't really explain it.

From her body language she's seen something out of the ordinary.


Seeing something that isn't really there doesn't indicate "some connection with the paranormal". It's called a hallucination.
 
The open reading

After a lovely dinner with Mark Edward and several other California-based Skeptics last Saturday, I decided to ask Mark if I could try a "vision from feeling" reading with him as the volunteer. I have a paranormal claim in which when I look at a person I feel a pattern across them that then in my mind translates into images of internal health information, which in itself is perhaps not interesting, but what makes it a claim that I still investigate is the accuracy in description of internal information that one should not have access to just by looking at a person.

I asked Mark to turn around and explained that I not only do not need eye contact but that it is distracting to me and for a volunteer to turn around also eliminates a lot of the potential cold reading that we do not want. We did not have a pen and paper at hand so I started collecting my impressions in my mind. I start from the head and work my way downwards, feeling into one part of the body at a time and noting if I feel something out of balance that would indicate a health problem, at which I would then look closer to form a description of what I feel.

I use no interaction with the person such as speaking or touching. I also like to write down my impressions as I read the person and to then put my pen away once I am done and that way nothing can be added or removed from my reading when I reveal my conclusions. But we had no paper this time.

There are hundreds of things to look at and to consider in a person when doing this kind of a reading. Even just the head has so many things to look at. The brain, eyes, ears, etc, and then there is a whole body to look at. It quickly becomes overwhelming and I always end up having to skip parts. When I do a reading it is not like having a blank sheet of paper with the few interesting bits of information already written on it and ready to pull out. Rather, it is like having to read a whole book with one chapter for each part of the body and searching for a particular keyword in amidst a vast amount of text. You end up not reading the whole book in the matter of minutes available after a dinner occasion and right before several of you are about to be in a hurry to catch the movie afterwards. You end up turning the pages and skimming and skipping parts and gathering what little you come up with, but knowing that you did not do a complete job.

A full and thorough head-to-toe reading takes from my experience a minimum of half an hour up to an hour or two. Imagine how much time it takes to do an autopsy examination of a person, or even to investigate an MRI. I did not do a complete reading of Mark, nor did I claim to have done. Therefore if I miss information that is there, this should by no means be held against my claim.

What made matters worse was that, in my impressions, Mark had the most fascinating intestines and I found myself gazing at them for the longest time and describing them in great detail to Mark. Even though, as I explained, there was no health problem there. It was just different, that's all it was. In most people, the way I see it, the outer surface along their intestines looks glossy and has a thick layer of the fluid that covers internal organs and reduces friction. Also, the color of the exterior of intestines tends to have darker colors. The outside of his intestines looked lacking in this layer of fluid, looked less inflated with fluid within the intestinal walls themselves, the color was more yellow across the outside, and there was more of the fat covering than I have seen in others. The fat was like soap or lard and I was describing its texture. It just looked so significantly different from "everybody else" that I ended up looking at that and describing it time after another. It also doesn't help that the small intestine is one of my favorite things to see.

After some time I decided to stop reading into him and to give him the information that I had so far. Before beginning to describe what I had seen or felt, I did tell him that if I don't mention something it does not mean that it is not there. I did try to explain, before sharing my impressions, that I had not done a complete reading, and that there may be things that he does have but that I had not seen or searched for. None of what I described should be of a personal or private nature so I can assume Mark does not mind it if I share it here, besides it is only the impressions of a woo and not an actual medical diagnose.

I said to him that I was highly surprised because I felt that his brain is mostly frontal lobe active and not occipital lobe. Frontal lobe deals with logical thinking and occipital with the more intuitive or visualized. Had I had to guess, since Mark has worked a great deal with giving, although knowingly fraudulent ones, psychic readings of many forms, that his brain would be very intuitive and emotional in its way of analyzing things, but here I was feeling that he rather uses his intellect and logic when forming conclusions. (In the first picture I am actually pointing to my frontal lobe and describing this!)

I said that he is well-nourished, and I rarely get to make that conclusion about a person. In my impressions, most people do not eat healthy enough to come across as what I would feel defines to be well nourished. It takes a lot of eating and not skipping meals and to make wise food choices to get all of the essential nutrients, and most people do not eat well enough.

I also said that another thing I rarely get to say, is that his spine is perfect. No back ache or issues with his spine. And that the inner lining of his stomach is thicker and better than in anyone I have ever seen before, therefore he has no stomach ulcers or problems with his stomach. I think that is all I said.

To hold my claim accountable for missed information is like asking you to quickly read an entire book in a matter of minutes, when you have not the time to read it nor the inclination as it was right after a dinner and before a movie, and to then quiz someone on virtually any part of the content of the book. "Here, have a book right after dinner, and take only a few minutes to read all of it, we don't have all night to let you sit and read it. Now, what was written on page 473, in the second paragraph, about the man's blood sugar regulation?" Could you do it? I am not a speed-reader.

Or, it is like going to the cardiologist, who runs plenty of tests on your heart and concludes on the health of your heart, and then you criticise their medical competence since they missed that you have skin cancer when they did not even test for it! I did not specifically check his blood sugar, nor pancreas, or other indications of diabetes, so how would I have known? Had I said that Mark does not have diabetes, that would have been evidence against the claim.

I look at a person and describe what I see from what I feel and my claim is then evaluated based on those descriptions. The accuracy or inaccuracy of the impressions that I have is what this claim must be evaluated against. My claim has never been that "I see all health information in a person". My claim is, and always has been since the very start, that, "when I look at people I perceive health information, and that health information would be accurate". I have never claimed to access all health information "that is considered to be there". This was even clearly stated in my very first letters to the IIG where I first described my claim even before joining this Forum several months later.

My claim is not falsified if I missed some information. My claim is falsified if the health information that I do describe with confidence and claim to have perceived, is confirmed to be inaccurate. I hope that I have made this distinction clear to those for whom it was not already clear.
 
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