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Protests embroil NYU, Columbia, other campuses as tensions flare over war in Gaza: Live updates

NEW YORK – As tensions over the Israel-Hamas war continue to boil on campuses across the country, Columbia University on Monday moved classes online while dozens of students were arrested in protests at Yale and New York University, and school officials closed Harvard Yard to the public.

Demonstrations at Yale and Harvard were planned in part out of solidarity with protesters at Columbia who set up an encampment last week that led to the arrest of more than 100 students. The protests have raised concerns for the safety of Jewish students and fueled a national debate over student demonstrations as campuses grapple with growing unrest over the war in Gaza.

At New York University, officers moved on the NYU crowd shortly after nightfall as hundreds of demonstrators for hours had defied university warnings that they faced consequences if they failed to vacate a plaza where they had established a Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
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According to the article, a Jewish Columbia faculty member says he was denied entry to campus for his own safety.

Columbia University president defends efforts to combat antisemitism

Dr Shafik condemned antisemitism, but was less clear when quizzed about a specific pro-Palestinian slogan.

Appearing before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, Dr Shafik was asked whether phrases used by some activists, such as "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", were antisemitic.

"I hear them as such, some people don't... it's a difficult issue because some people hear it as antisemitic, other people do not," she said.

Jewish groups say the slogan - which refers to the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea - is a call for the destruction of the state of Israel. Those who defend the phrase say it is a pro-Palestinian independence rallying cry.
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Or, the "liberation of Palestine" and the "destruction of the state of Israel" are functionally the same thing in the minds of some.

For comparison, the founding charter of Israel's Likud Party states "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Either way, it is a claim that only one ethnic group or one religion is the legitimate "sovereign" owner of the land.

Columbia University: White House condemns antisemitism at college protests

The White House has condemned "blatantly antisemitic" statements during ongoing student protests against the war in Gaza.

As protests at Columbia University entered a fifth day, deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said students had the right to peaceful protest.

But he denounced "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students".

More than 100 students were arrested at the New York university this week.
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New York Mayor Eric Adams said he was "horrified and disgusted with the antisemitism being spewed at and around the Columbia University Campus".
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Precisely what statements these condemnations refer to is unclear from the article.
 
Puppycow said:
Protests embroil NYU, Columbia, other campuses as tensions flare over war in Gaza: Live updates



According to the article, a Jewish Columbia faculty member says he was denied entry to campus for his own safety.

Columbia University president defends efforts to combat antisemitism



Or, the "liberation of Palestine" and the "destruction of the state of Israel" are functionally the same thing in the minds of some.

For comparison, the founding charter of Israel's Likud Party states "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Either way, it is a claim that only one ethnic group or one religion is the legitimate "sovereign" owner of the land.

Columbia University: White House condemns antisemitism at college protests



Precisely what statements these condemnations refer to is unclear from the article.
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Problem always has been the line between Anti Zionism and Anti Semitism can be very thin.
Some say that some supporters of Israel consider any criticism of Israel to be Antisemtic and they are right, some pro Israelis do try this poisoning the well tactic.
Some say that Anti Semitism often masquerades as Anti Zionism and they are right too.
I refuse to blindly follow a party line on this issue.
I now think the Israeli tactics in GAZA have failed ; but I alos think the survival of Israel is , to me, non negotiable given what the destruction of Israel would involve.
 
Brainster said:
This is one of them:
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Oh it gets worse, I have seen footage of them chanitng Death to the USA and saying how HAMAS will open an offensive against supporters of Israel in the US.
IMHO some kind of attack on Americans by some radical bunch of HAMAS supporters is inevitable; and it will be interesting to what the protestors do when thet happens.
I can see blood in the streets if the demonstaros tey to defend our out and out support the attack, I can see the MAGA Morons deciding to counter demonsteate and coming heavily armed.
 
dudalb said:
Oh it gets worse, I have seen footage of them chanitng Death to the USA and saying how HAMAS will open an offensive against supporters of Israel in the US.
IMHO some kind of attack on Americans by some radical bunch of HAMAS supporters is inevitable; and it will be interesting to what the protestors do when thet happens.
I can see blood in the streets if the demonstaros tey to defend our out and out support the attack, I can see the MAGA Morons deciding to counter demonsteate and coming heavily armed.
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The greater the Muslim presence in the US, the more this will occur. Eventually there will be a backlash, possibly from the right wing, possibly from the middle as well. Eventualy you are likely to have to choose between Mulsims and MAGAS. I wonder which you will favour, assuming you are still alive by then.
 
dudalb said:
Oh it gets worse, I have seen footage of them chanitng Death to the USA and saying how HAMAS will open an offensive against supporters of Israel in the US.
IMHO some kind of attack on Americans by some radical bunch of HAMAS supporters is inevitable; and it will be interesting to what the protestors do when thet happens.
I can see blood in the streets if the demonstaros tey to defend our out and out support the attack, I can see the MAGA Morons deciding to counter demonsteate and coming heavily armed.
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How many people are saying this? Is this the common sentiment of those protesting or is it a small number of extremists who don't represent the rest?
 
The_Animus said:
How many people are saying this? Is this the common sentiment of those protesting or is it a small number of extremists who don't represent the rest?
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Ever since the terror attacks of Oct 7, a common theme among many protesters is that "all resistance is legitimate, by any means necessary and all means available".

Meanwhile many Israelis and Zionists say that all means of defeating Hamas are acceptable, including by starving the people of Gaza and destroying their infrastructure, and killing their children.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Ever since the terror attacks of Oct 7, a common theme among many protesters is that "all resistance is legitimate, by any means necessary and all means available".

Meanwhile many Israelis and Zionists say that all means of defeating Hamas are acceptable, including by starving the people of Gaza and destroying their infrastructure, and killing their children.
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The difference is one of things is actually happening and supported by people in power.

Also, the highlighted part is pretty weak stuff. "many people are saying"
 
....between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
 
catsmate said:
....between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
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Considering how these people cheered on Oct 7, its fair to assume they want Palestine liberated by force, not through peaceful means. From the River to the Sea. Although I guess we could say Israel is preventing the formation of a Palestinian state by force, too.

**** all of them.
 
Ron Obvious said:
Birthrates and immigration. Hopefully that majority will not happen in my lifetime, as I'd consider an Islamic-majority Europe the end of civilisation.

Look at the state of the world where Islam has become dominant.
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Ummmm..... There are a lot of Muslim countries that are nice places to live. And many Christian countries that are absolute **** holes.
 
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