Prostitution: Did P&T Lie to Me?

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If you believe their PR, Nevada's legal brothels are safe, healthy - even fun - places in which to work. So why do so many prostitutes tell such horrific tales of abuse? Julie Bindel reports

There is only one place in the US where brothels are legal, and that's Nevada - a state in which prostitution has been considered a necessary service industry since the days when the place was populated solely by prospecters. There are at least 20 legal brothels in business now. Not so many, you might think, but these state-sanctioned operations punch above their weight in PR terms.

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"The physical appearance of these buildings is shocking," says Farley. "They look like wide trailers with barbed wire around them - little jails." The rooms all have panic buttons, but many women told her that they had experienced violent and sexual abuse from the customers and pimps.

"I saw a grated iron door in one brothel," says Farley. "The women's food was shoved through the door's steel bars between the kitchen and the brothel area. One pimp starved a woman he considered too fat. She made a friend outside the brothel who would throw food over the fence for her." Another pimp told Farley matter-of-factly that many of the women working for him had histories of sexual abuse and mental ill-health. "Most," he said, "have been sexually abused as kids. Some are bipolar, some are schizophrenic."

So did Penn and Teller's BS episode lie? They portrayed these brothels as being nice, and the prostitutes as happy.

Is prostitution the selling of humans? Or is it a legal contract between individuals?

I mean, technically I would really see no problem with it. But in practice, if it only creates all this harm to those involved, I don't know if I would legalize it.

Or could this just be the result of the weird conflicting laws in the US?
 
Do you want to hear some fast food worker horror stories? Or is data not the plural of anecdote?
 
I do remember hearing an interview with a former drug addicted prostitute from Australia. She worked in two legal brothels, one was not really legal as they paid the prostitutes in drugs, and a major turning point for her was moving to a better brothel. There the other girls got her out in the day time and such.

Judging any industry by the worse or the best is going to give a false image of what it is.
 
The prostitution industry sucks in a lot of very disturbed people. It then often twists them up even more. And yes, Penn and Teller's BS episode was ideologically-driven BS.
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This is not to be taken as being against legal prostitution. All the arguments for that far outweigh the arguments against it. But to pretend the whole industry is a lovely bed of roses is a lie.
 
The prostitution industry sucks in a lot of very disturbed people. It then often twists them up even more. And yes, Penn and Teller's BS episode was ideologically-driven BS.

This is true of a great many industries where you have very low standards of entry.
 
This is true of a great many industries where you have very low standards of entry.

Not quite. The prostitution industry actually appeals to many with severe emotional disturbances. This cannot be said for example say of the sweatshop garment industry, or the almost-slavery conditions of agriculture in some places.
 
Prostitution is pretty bad juju... is anyone surprised?

Apparently some are. Penn & Teller push lots of libertarian crap. They're not interested in the realities sometimes at all.

Mildy disagree though: some older prostitutes can actually handle prostitution very well, without problems at all. But I tend to think they are the minority.
 
Apparently some are. Penn & Teller push lots of libertarian crap. They're not interested in the realities sometimes at all.

Mildy disagree though: some older prostitutes can actually handle prostitution very well, without problems at all. But I tend to think they are the minority.

P&T don't seem to have the ability to view reality without filtering it through their silly political views.
 
I'm a big fan of P&T. Both don't care that you disagree with them. They want to question things. They want us to question our held notions. They are one of the few programs on TV that even question idiotic things like Fung Shui, psychic healing, Alien Abductions, etc., etc.

I'm damn glad that they are there.

As for prostitution I don't have a problem with it. If a woman choses to sell herself for sex that's fine with me. If a woman choses to be in porn that's fine with me. If a woman wants to be a stripper that's fine.

I wory about exploitation, particularly of young vulnerable women. If there are underlying reasons for women to be exploited when they other wise wouldn't and those issues were dealt with and there was no supply of prostitutes I would be very happy with that.

However, as long as there is money, then there will always be women who will sell themselves. They will just make more money... IMO. Don't tell me Ana Nicole Smith wasn't turning tricks for Howard Marshall, she just called it marriage.
 
To quote George Carlin: "Why is prostitution illegal? Why is it illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away free?"
 
And, to be fair, what about the bias of the author? I'm not going to just accuse her of making it up any more than P & T should be accused of making it up.

I'm a fan of the notion of legalized, regulated prostitution. That said, I've read a great deal of disturbing reports of human trafficking in places where the legality of prostitution has been claimed to be "ideal", such as in Amsterdam.

I don't know what the solution is. While I want to see it legal and safe, I want assurances that virtual or actual slavery, pimping and unethical situations are a heavily policed rarity.

Perhaps the past centuries of criminalized prostitution have just made it far too difficult to bring this up to the level of a tolerable working environment? Then again, not long ago in virtually every Western country, the abolition of child labor, sweatshop conditions and unsafe workplaces is a relatively new thing. Perhaps if we persevere in ensuring that fair workers protection can extend to the sex industry, we'll see the same revolution we have in "mainstream" labor laws? I speak, of course, only for the first world nations who have come this far.
 
Apparently some are. Penn & Teller push lots of libertarian crap. They're not interested in the realities sometimes at all.


libertarian here agrees with Penn's & Teller's libertarian 'crap'.

Also, let's not forget that some of the very best, and best-looking, prostitutes are probably guys.
 
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