Proposed TAM IV Politics Session

a_unique_person

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I have noticed that one of the most popular parts of JREF has been ignored at the TAMS.

I would therefore propose the following. We get together a list of the most popular debates for a presentation by a few members, followed by an open debate from the members on the floor.

As there has been some acrimony in this forum in the past, I would suggest that the JREF shouts everyone participating in the session free drinks before and after the session, to mellow everyone out.

Any takers?
 
a_unique_person said:
I have noticed that one of the most popular parts of JREF has been ignored at the TAMS.

I would therefore propose the following. We get together a list of the most popular debates for a presentation by a few members, followed by an open debate from the members on the floor.

As there has been some acrimony in this forum in the past, I would suggest that the JREF shouts everyone participating in the session free drinks before and after the session, to mellow everyone out.

Any takers?
Lol....How much booze before this session starts? The only other questions I have is can you be my tag team partner and will the use of plastic stacker chairs be allowed?

I also want to be known as the werewolf and have a red lucra cape covered in diamonties... (don't ask why, I just do)

Maybe zep can be our crazy manager
 
The Fool said:
hmmm, not a bad entrance announcement, will you have pyrotechnics?
Likely won't even be there. May be betraying grotesque ignorance, but where is TAM4 supposed to be held?
 
Since many of you denizens of the Political Forum didn't go to TAM3 (I think Shanek, Central Scrutinizer, CFL, and I are the only ones that come readily to mind) I think this would be a good idea. Of course, at one time, Pickett's Charge and the Battle of the Somme seemed like good ideas at one time too.....:bricks:

They had a nice lunch buffet at the Stardust, with tables sitting 8-10 people...so I can see AUP, Fool, Cleon, demon, rikzilla, skeptic, BPSCG, jay gw, et. al. sitting together for lunch, while the rest of us take side bets on who throws the first dinner roll.....

And BTW fool, next door to the Stardust, Gilley's bar has Mudwrestling...of course, I don't know how you and BPSCG would look in bikinis....:p :D
 
BPSCG said:
Likely won't even be there. May be betraying grotesque ignorance, but where is TAM4 supposed to be held?

See, you do need to look around this board more often.

TAM4, like TAM3, will be at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas. Approximate dates are 26-29 January 2006.
 
Hutch said:
See, you do need to look around this board more often.

TAM4, like TAM3, will be at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas. Approximate dates are 26-29 January 2006.
That's the problem.

It had been a career goal of mine to never never never ever go to Las Vegas. I consider any place where Wayne Newton and Liza Minelli are considered haute couture to be Enemy Territory, and Las Vegas is the capital of that Evil Empire.

I managed to keep that resolution for over 19,000 days. Then my boss sent me there on business. Couldn't exactly tell her to #$%^ off, could I?

Good part: Mrs. BPSCG came along for the ride, since the hotel room was already paid for.

Good part II: Mrs. BPSCG bought tickets for several good shows.

Good part III: None of tickets were for Wayne Newton, Liza Minelli, or Celine Dionne.

Bad part: None of those tickets were for Penn and Teller.
 
a_unique_person,

What would be the purpose of having a debate on politics at a skeptics' meeting?

Should we discuss strategies/aims for skepticism, or is it about evaluating certain political ideologies skeptically?
 
AUP

Your avatar is troubling (again).

WHO is that person? Oneinchrist? Bethke? Steve Grenard?
 
a_unique_person said:
I would therefore propose the following. We get together a list of the most popular debates for a presentation by a few members, followed by an open debate from the members on the floor.

Just wanna toss out the idea (in case you've not considered it) that the most populated debates may not be the most popular.

Seems moot, really, since I don't really think TAM is the right place for that (but who cares what I think, since I don't attend TAMs anyway) - just thought I would point it out.

MattJ
 
Hutch said:
Since many of you denizens of the Political Forum didn't go to TAM3 (I think Shanek, Central Scrutinizer, CFL, and I are the only ones that come readily to mind) I think this would be a good idea. Of course, at one time, Pickett's Charge and the Battle of the Somme seemed like good ideas at one time too.....:bricks:

They had a nice lunch buffet at the Stardust, with tables sitting 8-10 people...so I can see AUP, Fool, Cleon, demon, rikzilla, skeptic, BPSCG, jay gw, et. al. sitting together for lunch, while the rest of us take side bets on who throws the first dinner roll.....

And BTW fool, next door to the Stardust, Gilley's bar has Mudwrestling...of course, I don't know how you and BPSCG would look in bikinis....:p :D

Sound's cool! Since my lovely British wife started working for Delta I have a "fly free" card now. Maybe I'll make it next year.
Are those dinner rolls hard or soft? ;)

-z
 
One of the biggest points of contention on the Politics forum would make for a good panel discussion, I think: "Can political issues and views be approached from a skeptical standpoint?" I say yes, Claus says no. We could get a good discussion going...
 
shanek said:
One of the biggest points of contention on the Politics forum would make for a good panel discussion, I think: "Can political issues and views be approached from a skeptical standpoint?" I say yes, Claus says no. We could get a good discussion going...
Yeah, you and Claus sitting there reasonably discussing your points of difference.

I can see it now...
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BPSCG said:
Yeah, you and Claus sitting there reasonably discussing your points of difference.

I can see it now...
USAsumner2.jpg

Nah, it would be quicker than that. Remember, Shane is pro-gun, and Claus is not. :D
 
shanek said:
One of the biggest points of contention on the Politics forum would make for a good panel discussion, I think: "Can political issues and views be approached from a skeptical standpoint?" I say yes, Claus says no. We could get a good discussion going...

No, I am not saying that we can't approach political issues from a skeptical standpoint. We can approach anything from any standpoint. The key issue is: Can a political ideology be proved scientifically?

If not, then such a debate has no place at a skeptics' conference. We are seeking to find out whether paranormal phenomena exist or not. We seek knowledge about how the world really is, not how we want to world to be.

Do we want to send the message to the world that we, as skeptics, are seeking to prove a certain political ideology scientifically? We would be seen as political fanatics, hell-bent on imposing our own beliefs on others. Lunatics. And rightfully so.

I know that shanek is desperately trying to validate his own political ideas skeptically, but who among people here - even Libertarians - would want shanek's world model to be the only one? It would have to be, because how can you argue with science? It's like trying to argue that the world is flat, right?

We would not have democracy anymore, we would have political scientism. We should argue that, since God is not proved, all religion must be banned. Or, that it is bad for the gene pool to have even the slightest gene defect, so women must be forced to have abortions, if their children carry these genes, and the women should be sterilized. Or, that, since overpopulation is bad for the economy, environment and future generations, we should have mass-sterilizations of whole countries. Or why not nip it in the bud and have mass-exterminations, the same way we spray areas where there are mosquitos who carry malaria?

Science is about the real world. Politics is about how we, as humans, want our societies to look like.
 
Ed said:
AUP

Your avatar is troubling (again).

WHO is that person? Oneinchrist? Bethke? Steve Grenard?
Ed, he is Norman Gunston, one of the greatest Living Australians.
 
CFLarsen said:
No, I am not saying that we can't approach political issues from a skeptical standpoint. We can approach anything from any standpoint. The key issue is: Can a political ideology be proved scientifically?

Science is about the real world. Politics is about how we, as humans, want our societies to look like.
Hm. What then is political science?
 
CFLarsen said:
No, I am not saying that we can't approach political issues from a skeptical standpoint. We can approach anything from any standpoint. The key issue is: Can a political ideology be proved scientifically?


And people petitioned to have my intervention moved to flame wars.
 

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