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Progressive Radio Rants -- Minimum Wage

Bill Thompson

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Since I found Progressive Radio, I have been listening to them a lot. But not for the reasons one might think. I find it a study on human nature and how our brains work (or don't work properly) to preceive the world.

They are the ones who, I find, are on the wrong track and it is ironic that they are convinced that they are the intelligent, compassionate and correct ones.

The Left and the Right in the USA reminds me of the ying and the yang where one side is after the other and each contains how the other appear externally. It seems the good and pure and well intentioned Poltiical Left in the USA are the ones who are messed up at the core.

I cannot listen to them without grabbing a note pad and taking notes about some absurd notion they have that they thing will save us.

Cutting to the chase on this one point of this discussion thread:

A few days ago they insisted that the minimum wage should be 10 dollars an hour. It was on the Ed Shultz show and a number of callers agreed. In Washington State, college kids cannot get a job during summer or other breaks. This is because the minimum wage is among the hightest in this state within the Union. It is also why the unemployment among this age group is the highest in the Union.
 
Bill Thompson said:
The Left and the Right in the USA reminds me of the ying and the yang where one side is after the other and each contains how the other appear externally. It seems the good and pure and well intentioned Poltiical Left in the USA are the ones who are messed up at the core.
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That is just your belief, and a superstitious belief it is. A good example of one of the superstitious elements of your thinking is right here.

In Washington State, college kids cannot get a job during summer or other breaks. This is because the minimum wage is among the hightest in this state within the Union. It is also why the unemployment among this age group is the highest in the Union.
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Cry me a river. You got people trying to feed their families on those jobs that the college kids want. That's why they can't get them.

If the people doing those minimum wage jobs were not able to feed themselves, all the grocerey stores not part of a national chain would go broke. Mom and pop restruaunts would die.

You're arguing non causa pro causa.

If minimum wages are such a ghastly, horrible, nation-wrecking disaster as you lot claim, why does Washington still have a better standard of living than Alabama?
 
Half truths are another kind of lie.

Your defense of "families" where the parents are trying to get by on minimum wage is the kind of thing I think Liberals pride themselves over. But as honorable and respectable as this appears to be, nothing in this world comes without a cost. The magic fantasy world you have in mind would be that these "working middle class familes" would magically get a bump in income. The reality is that they would be unemployed just like these college kids.

That is the whole truth.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Half truths are another kind of lie.
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Sorry, but what you are selling is a delusion.

There are not jobs out there for everybody. Even people with useful college dgrees are forced to either work for min wage or starve.

Minmum wages prevent corporations from colluding to steal their labor by employing them only at a less than fair wage.

The magic fantasy world you have in mind would be that these "working middle class familes" would magically get a bump in income. The reality is that they would be unemployed just like these college kids.
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Not a bit of it. You would still have that college grad working for less than minimum wage unless the corporate swine started actually creating jobs again, and the kid would be SOL.
 
My posts are complete thoughts. Breaking them apart changes their meaning. I think you do this because you believe it is the right thing to do, not because you have a real point to make. I get the same results debating a Mormon or a Muslim. I think your ideology blinds you.
 
Bill Thompson said:
My posts are complete thoughts.
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More like superstitious delusions. As a whole, your theory is out of the Rushblob's underwear. I was just breaking it down so that you could see where you ran it down the rabbit hole. I think your ideology blinds you.
 
leftysergeant said:
Cry me a river. You got people trying to feed their families on those jobs that the college kids want. That's why they can't get them.
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Those evil "Republicans" sending their rich kids to college, right? It is very telling that you assume I meant (and the radio news I got this story from today was about) rich kids trying to get some pocket money during spring break. The truth is that the story was about kids trying to make money to keep going to college alltogether. With a minimum wage of 10 dollars an hour, that would bring that to a halt. And that is way worse than making poor families afford a little better clothes. Our society depends on the educated. This is a fact that escapes the Liberals or they choose to ignore it because the congregation in the church of Liberalism wants to hear the sermon about the working class.
 
leftysergeant said:
More like superstitious delusions. As a whole, your theory is out of the Rushblob's underwear. I was just breaking it down so that you could see where you ran it down the rabbit hole. I think your ideology blinds you.
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Breaking them apart changes their meaning. Which is what you did when you made this response, man.

"Breaking it down" is changing the meaning into sound bytes. Please tell me you are better than that.

So tell me, what do you think my ideology is.
 
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and how come the world hasn't ended in countries where there is a minimum wage?
 
bikerdruid said:
no adult should be expected to work for less than that.
what's your beef?
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Why don't we just make the minimum wage $100/hr. that way we can all be wealthy? Do those economics work for you? Can you see the economic fallacy of the "working wage" promotion idiots?
 
Neally said:
Why don't we just make the minimum wage $100/hr. that way we can all be wealthy? Do those economics work for you? Can you see the economic fallacy of the "working wage" promotion idiots?
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no, please explain it to me: the bit about making it $100. Which idiot suggested that?
 
Neally said:
Why don't we just make the minimum wage $100/hr. that way we can all be wealthy? Do those economics work for you? Can you see the economic fallacy of the "working wage" promotion idiots?
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No, please explain
 
Bill Thompson said:
A few days ago they insisted that the minimum wage should be 10 dollars an hour. It was on the Ed Shultz show and a number of callers agreed. In Washington State, college kids cannot get a job during summer or other breaks. This is because the minimum wage is among the hightest in this state within the Union. It is also why the unemployment among this age group is the highest in the Union.
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In the province of Ontario, the minimum wage for most workers is $10.25 per hour. Which, at the current exchange rate, works out to a shade under $10.74 US. The unemployment rate in the province was unchanged in March at 8.1% (the rate nationally fell slightly to 7.7% for the month).
 
I suppose you are both getting at something important here. On one end the minimum wage can certainly pose an employment obstacle to those who are already supported by other income earners (for example a teen mostly supported by their parents who wants to make a few extra bucks) but on the other hand a minimum wage doesn't really cover the people who must actually live on it entirely, at least not comfortably.

I suppose one way to bridge the gap might be to make sure those living on minimum wage get government support to partly supplement their income (but then this passes the burden from the employer on to the taxpayer and may just drive down wages even further)

All in all I do support a minimum wage, nobody should be forced to live on a pittance. I don't really buy the argument that an increased minimum wage will dramatically lower employment, the amount is not really all that much. Ultimately however the solution is to help keep wages high by other means, reducing the necessity of the minimum wage to begin with.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Since I found Conservative Radio, I have been listening to them a lot. But not for the reasons one might think. I find it a study on human nature and how our brains work (or don't work properly) to preceive the world.

They are the ones who, I find, are on the wrong track and it is ironic that they are convinced that they are the intelligent, compassionate and correct ones.

The Left and the Right in the USA reminds me of the ying and the yang where one side is after the other and each contains how the other appear externally. It seems the good and pure and well intentioned Poltiical Right in the USA are the ones who are messed up at the core.

I cannot listen to them without grabbing a note pad and taking notes about some absurd notion they have that they thing will save us.
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Look at that. Change two words and suddenly you are wearing someone elses shoes.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Those evil "Republicans" sending their rich kids to college, right? It is very telling that you assume I meant (and the radio news I got this story from today was about) rich kids trying to get some pocket money during spring break. The truth is that the story was about kids trying to make money to keep going to college alltogether.
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So an adult has to go without a job or be forced to compete for one that pays less than a decent day's provisions. Get this through your head right now. Less than a decent day's provisions for a day's work is theft of labor.


You want to make it legal to streal labor so that a college kid can have "pocket money." Or maybe to go to college at all. Well, if the fat class paid working people what they were worth, like in the days before the jelly-brain from California decided that it was in the national interest to price the middle class out of college, they wouldn't have that problem in the first place.

Labor has an identifiable value, and that is a decent day's provisions for a decent day's work.
 
Neally said:
Why don't we just make the minimum wage $100/hr. that way we can all be wealthy? Do those economics work for you? Can you see the economic fallacy of the "working wage" promotion idiots?
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Because $100 right now is a great deal more than a day's decent provisions, let alone an hour's.
 
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