Professional Skeptics Group Proves UFOs Real!

[JamesM]

From the UFO UpDates mailing list (don't know where the original can be found, perhaps on Michael Horn's And Yet They Fly site - couldn't find it myself):

Organization expected to retract defamatory claims, facilitate $1,000,000 award to Swiss man

The organisation being MCI West and the Swiss man being Billy Meier.

It is now absolutely incumbent upon any and all of the skeptics who have offered money for proof of "paranormal" phenomenon, to offer it to Meier and his non-profit organization in Switzerland, FIGU.
Specifically, the offer by Randi of $1,000,000 for proof of a paranormal ability has been more than satisfied and must be paid.

Er, right.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

This may be the first, and most important, time in history that skeptics have set out to disprove a presumed hoax and ended up proving its authenticity. And, in this case, what they proved is undoubtedly the factuality of the most important event in human history, the existence of, and contact with, extraterrestrials.

Idiots.

Photos, said to be hoaxes that cannot be replicated by some, are a part of the evidence that UFOs could be ET spacecraft. They are not "proof of authenticity." In the same manner that a cold reader reproducing a reading is evidence that a medium is a fake, not proof.

Why do people like CarloS&S , Yellow Banana and these jokers have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept?

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*

Why do people like CarloS&S , Yellow Banana and these jokers have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept?

Probably for the same reason as their believing in the crap to start with. I recon if you can believe a civilisation capable of interstellar flight has been bumbling around here for decades without ever getting down to business, you are apt to beleive anything.

Hans

 

[Rolfe]

Even in the unlikely event that this were in fact true, I'm struggling to see what it would have to do with the JREF million bucks. What's "paranormal" about interstellar travel by an advanced race?

Very unlikely, yes. Almost certainly faked, yes. But "paranormal"? Has Randi ever said he'll give the money to the first guy who really is approached by an alien demanding to be taken to our leader? If so, why?

Rolfe

 

[davidhorman]

Billy Meier If I remember correctly a reporter found a model UFO on Meier's property and Meier tried to pass off magazine photographs of a model dinosaur and a past earthquake as photos he took on a ride through time.

David

 

[Nucular]

recently occurred and virtually in the
sequence Meier foretold:

1. The strike or attack by the US and its president (Iraq).
Meier even used the word "stun" when he said the strike would
"...stun the entire world..." "Stun" is a synonym for the term
"shock" used by the US as in "shock and awe".

The guy that wrote that must have had to shower for a week to stop feeling as dirty as I did just reading it.

Maybe someone should let them know that, presumably due to Randi's ridiculous legalism and abject fear fo the unknown, the stuffy rules which go with his challenge actually require someone to apply for the prize and agree a protocol.

It's also claimed for Meier that he published some stuff about Jupiter which was accurate between five months and 25 years before scientists found it out and 'confirmed' his claims. On the web I've found much burbling about this, but buggered if I can find either direct quotes from said published material, or any scrap of evidence that a) the information was not guessed at previously, and b) actually was written beforehand.

Anybody shed some light on this one?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Rolfe, d*mn good point! They claim that UFOs are real (as ET craft), then claim the JREF prize for showing a paranormal phenomenon.



Hans

 

[Kopji]

"REPORTS THAT say something hasn't happened are interesting to
me, because as we know, there are known unknowns; there are
things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns' the ones we don't know we don't know."
- posted message from the UFO site

Now this is really weird, but I expected to find something worded exactly like this when I went to look up the site. I am not psychic.

A bedtime story
I met one of these UFO people a few weeks ago: a friend of my wife. Would definitely be called a "woo" at jref. (Now, I do not live in the Woodom but I can see it from here).

Being nice friends we helped her move out of a run down single wide trailer on a leased lot. She owned the trailer but not the land... she'd had the lease forever, dirt cheap, but the landowner finally decided to put a new trailer on the lot and raise the rent. (removing the eyesore probably upped all the values on the block) The owner let her know at least six months ahead of time and was real nice, but she ignored the messages, thinking they could not really mean her. She had all kinds of weird notions, like the owner would have asked her permission first and stuff...

Come December, it became apparent that she was expected to move out pronto. Panic set in along with a general inability to cope with anything. We went over to help move things and the place was just a junkyard with a computer in it. She'd rented a storage unit, but the things to be stored were bits of old paper and torn up furniture that could be had at a yard sale for $1.

Anyhoo... as within so without... I felt sorry for her at first, but not so much later as I watched her systematically wreck relationships because friends would not join her in her misery or bail her out in some big way (like buying a new house or giving a huge loan).

And in the end, junk stored, and just before moving several states away, she sounded just like the message at that site.

 

[Kerberos]

Some people should be shot for the sake of the human gene pool

 

[walthrup48]

Maybe someone should let them know that, presumably due to Randi's ridiculous legalism and abject fear fo the unknown, the stuffy rules which go with his challenge actually require someone to apply for the prize and agree a protocol.

Well, I dunno. This quote seems to suggest an application isn't absolutely necessary: “We can only test persons who either apply to become claimants for the million-dollar prize, or who will actually submit themselves to undergoing proper test procedures.” http://www.randi.org/jr/faq.html

Rolfe, d*mn good point! They claim that UFOs are real (as ET craft), then claim the JREF prize for showing a paranormal phenomenon.

Yeah, but remember it's the JREF that categorises their claim as paranormal. I'm sure they're convinced it's real.

 

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

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