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Problem with Remington Rifles?

Ranb

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/39554936?__source=vty|remingtondoc|&par=vty

The Remington Model 700-series rifle —with more than five million sold—is one of the world’s most popular firearms. Famous for its accuracy, the rifle is now the target of a series of lawsuits alleging that it is unsafe and susceptible to firing accidentally.
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The article mentions inadvertent discharges; I wonder how many of these incidents are actually negligent discharges? While I feel for the woman who shot her son, I have to know, what was she doing pointing the rifle at her son while unloading it? Or was it a ricochet?

Ranb
 
Like the article says, Remington 700 is THE rifle and has been for many years. It is used by police all over the country (probably world) and is the base for U.S. military, bolt sniper rifles. Yet, having spent my whole adult life shooting in military, law enforcement, competition, hunting, etc. (and owning a 700 for about 20 years) and being a law enforcement and civilian instructor, I've never even heard of this issue prior to this "expose." Makes me a little skeptical.
 
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There are two types of people, those who have an accidental discharge and those who will.

Rules of gun-safety:

0) All guns are always loaded.
1) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
2) Keep your finger out of the trigger-guard until ready to fire.
3) Know your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.

There's a reason why those rules exist. Following them you will keep people around you safe. Guns are designed to kill things. Treat them with respect. If something goes wrong (short of a barrel exploding) it's your own damn fault.
 
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Newtons Bit said:
There are two types of people, those who have an accidental discharge and those who will.

Rules of gun-safety:

0) All guns are always loaded.
1) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
2) Keep your finger out of the trigger-guard until ready to fire.
3) Know your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.

There's a reason why those rules exist. Following them you will keep people around you safe. Guns are designed to kill things. Treat them with respect. If something goes wrong (short of a barrel exploding) it's your own damn fault.
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Or for the illiterate and ignorant (as one girl asked in my safety class) the muzzle is the end with the hole in it. That is where the bullet comes out. Don't point that hole at anything you don't intend to put a bigger hole in.
 
I think it is a case of someone thinking " Villianizing guns would make a good story.".

In my limited experience with firearms ( not by choice), i cannot think of a single situation in which i could possibly end up shooting something i did not intend to shoot. I mean, just don't point the gun at something you like, and it will all work out fine.

I think that the issues can be explained by people becoming too comfortable with guns. Just like every high risk profession a certain percentage of people in it will become lazy with the safety rules because they feel thier experience allows them a level of flexibility.

That, coupled with the fact that some observers fail to realize the dangers of projectile weapons, would really explain any harm that comes to people. Heck, to relate a similar story, i cannot count the number of times someone has walked in front of a knife board, to come over and talk to me, after i have explictly explained not to do this. ( no worries about throwing and not seeing them there. But on the small chance i throw poorly enough not to stick the knife, it can cause some serious damage on the rebound.)
 
As I understand it, the defect has been fixed for several years and this only affects older rifles.
 
Phrost said:
As I understand it, the defect has been fixed for several years and this only affects older rifles.
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What the hell?
How do you unload a gun with the bolt closed?
Or rather, why would you do this?
I always open the chamber first. If the magazine is integral (I am not familiar with the 700), I never close the bolt all the way while shucking rounds out.
And I never point the sharp end at anything other than the ground while unloading.
 
Phrost said:
As I understand it, the defect has been fixed for several years and this only affects older rifles.
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It would cost Remington $300 million to recall the rifles to substitute the trigger assembly. That is more than the company's net worth.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Rules of gun-safety:

0) All guns are always loaded.
1) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
2) Keep your finger out of the trigger-guard until ready to fire.
3) Know your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.

There's a reason why those rules exist.
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rwguinn said:
Or for the illiterate and ignorant (as one girl asked in my safety class) the muzzle is the end with the hole in it. That is where the bullet comes out. Don't point that hole at anything you don't intend to put a bigger hole in.
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Yup and yup. I don't even own guns, don't have any particular interest in doing so, and yet I'm aware of these rules quite clearly. This has kept me safe in situations when I've handled guns, and kept the appropriate amount of respect from me for the firearm's capabilities instead of making stupid Hollywood assumptions about how guns work. Hasn't done me wrong so far.
 
The M700 is available in several models, with detachable and blind magazines. Anyone who manages to shoot someone while unloading a rifle will probably manage to do it even if it has a properly working trigger and detachable magazine.

Ranb
 
Newtons Bit said:
There are two types of people, those who have an accidental discharge and those who will.
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I'm skeptical again - I've heard that, but, in my lifetime with guns and shooters those who have had an ND are in the minority.
 
sadhatter said:
I think it is a case of someone thinking " Villianizing guns would make a good story.".
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A lot of times, the story is generated by someone trying to make a lot of money off of a lawsuit. The press can be a big factor in getting big money quick.

My office once hired an attorney (with political connections) who had previously sued Glock for their unsafe design...after his client pointed a loaded Glock 27 at his hand and pulled the trigger and, amazingly, a bullet went through his hand. Luckily, he lost both that case and his job with me.
 
rwguinn said:
Y'all be keerful out there.
Evidence strongly indicates that there a large number of idiots you'll be sharing the woods with...
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I'm on a first-name basis with a couple of them. I try to know where they will be. If I pull into Gate 2 at our hunt club and there's a green silverado there, I'm going to Gate 3.
 
Newtons Bit said:
There are two types of people, those who have an accidental discharge and those who will.

Rules of gun-safety:

0) All guns are always loaded.
1) Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
2) Keep your finger out of the trigger-guard until ready to fire.
3) Know your target, what's in front of it and what's behind it.
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I've lived by even simpler rules ...

1) Keep your gun unloaded until you are ready to use it, and then unload it immediately afterwords.
2) Never point it at anything you do not wish to shoot.

... and even if you only follow just the second of those two rules, no one should get hurt by accident.
 
I agree, Model 700s are dangerous, dangerous weapons that could go off just by breathing on it the wrong way.

If you want to be rid of this hazardous weapon, send me a PM...I'm looking for a .308--they...um...are the most dangerous of all!
 
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