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Potentially innocent man about to be executed

Frightening that anyone could be sent to death row on such flimsy evidence. What are the chances that the Governor will give a stay of execution though?
 
USA, land of the free, home of the brave.

Jesus, and I think our justice system sucks.

It does, but at least it ain't America.
 
USA, land of the free, home of the brave.

Jesus, and I think our justice system sucks.

It does, but at least it ain't America.

If you really want to crap yourself in despair, check out Jon Oliver's segment on indigent defense from this past Sunday.

The US justice system is much like the US health care system; as bad as you might think it is, it's probably worse.
 
If you really want to crap yourself in despair, check out Jon Oliver's segment on indigent defense from this past Sunday.

The US justice system is much like the US health care system; as bad as you might think it is, it's probably worse.

That's a good example. Actually, the U.S. healthcare system works pretty well if you have good corporate medical insurance or lots of money; if not, you're screwed (maybe over time the ACA will change that). The justice system works the same way: if you can afford the best lawyers, you have a good chance of winning, maybe even staying out of court, unless your case is so cut-and-dried that nothing could save you. But for everybody else, you'll plead guilty to something you didn't do just so the DA won't throw the book at you.
 
Apparently not 'only in Italy'.

From the Slate article it looks like the prosecutors need to be jailed. How sad.
 
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So they're seriously going to execute someone on that crappy BS evidence.

Yes, but it's hard to know exactly what is going on or who screwed up. Read the Governor's statement...she is saying that Glossip's attorneys didn't do what she asked of them. I am confused as to why they are not presenting their evidence in a court of law.

For months, and as part of a larger publicity campaign opposing the death penalty, Richard Glossip’s attorneys have been publicly claiming to have new evidence that exonerates their client. During that time, my office and I have urged them to bring that so-called evidence to the proper venue: a court of law. Not only have Glossip’s lawyers not done so, but they have actively rejected requests from public officials to examine whatever materials they have. His attorneys even refused to share the contact information of so-called ‘new witnesses’ with Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater and with my office.

Yesterday, forty-eight hours before Glossip’s scheduled execution, his attorneys presented my office with a binder of what they have labeled ‘new evidence.’ After reviewing it with my legal team, we have determined the vast majority of the limited content they have presented is not new; furthermore, we find none of the material to be credible evidence of Richard Glossip’s innocence. After carefully reviewing the facts of this case multiple times, I see no reason to cast doubt on the guilty verdict reached by the jury or to delay Glossip’s sentence of death. For that reason I am rejecting his request for a stay of execution.

Nevertheless, I join our district attorney in urging Glossip’s legal team to present whatever information they have to a court of law. Courts, unlike my office, have the legal authority to grant an indefinite stay of execution or a retrial. Courts are the proper venue to present new information or evidence, and the attorneys representing Glossip have a moral and ethical duty to file legal documents and make their case in front of a judge.

In the event that a court refuses to issue a stay, Richard Glossip will be executed tomorrow. I hope the execution brings a sense of closure and peace to the Van Treese family, who has suffered greatly because of Glossip’s crimes.

http://www.koco.com/news/gov-fallin-rejects-request-to-delay-richard-glossips-execution/35288350

ETA: I know nothing about the case except what is in the OP and the article that I linked to, so I have no idea as to the validity of the Governor's remarks or the Slate article. It may be that the matter is far more complicated or confusing than the Slate article makes it out to be. Then again, it may be exactly as presented therein. Certainly innocent people have been put to death before, so I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is innocent, too.
 
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It may be that the matter is far more complicated or confusing than the Slate article makes it out to be. Then again, it may be exactly as presented therein. Certainly innocent people have been put to death before, so I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is innocent, too.

I'm willing to concede -- even bet -- that the matter is more complicated than the Slate article says. But the state's own claim is that the guy they are executing inspired the murder that was actually carried out by the guy who made a deal and was sentenced to prison. It seems unjust on its face to send an actual murderer to prison, while a co-conspirator gets put to death. After all, the murderer had the last chance to prevent the crime. And this guy has attracted the support of one of most conservative (former) Senators, which should count for something.

More details in this story. Apparently the juries at two trials were never allowed to see the video of the murderer's confession and accusation, which would have helped make the case for coercion.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/13/richard-glossip-execution-oklahoma-mary-fallin-stay

His supporters also have a website:
http://www.richardeglossip.com/
 
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But the state's own claim is that the guy they are executing inspired the murder that was actually carried out by the guy who made a deal and was sentenced to prison. It seems unjust on its face to send an actual murderer to prison, while a co-conspirator gets put to death.

Yeah, that is pretty unjust. I honestly don't know how some of these prosecutors live with themselves.
 
But the state's own claim is that the guy they are executing inspired the murder that was actually carried out by the guy who made a deal and was sentenced to prison. It seems unjust on its face to send an actual murderer to prison, while a co-conspirator gets put to death. After all, the murderer had the last chance to prevent the crime.

OTOH, the guy ordering the murder (which is a step or three above "co-conspirator") has the first and best chance to see no crime is committed. Unless it is suggested Sneed was offering "hits on spec"
 
OTOH, the guy ordering the murder (which is a step or three above "co-conspirator") has the first and best chance to see no crime is committed. Unless it is suggested Sneed was offering "hits on spec"
You have a point when there's a power imbalance between the two persons - like a mafia boss ordering one of his underlings to carry out a hit. But in this case, even if the story as told by Sneed were true (I don't think so, based on the write-ups of Slate and Guardian) - then I don't see how in any way Glossip could have "ordered" Sneed to murder Van Treese, much less why Sneed on such a suggestion would have answered anything else than "are you out of your mind".
 
I'm willing to concede -- even bet -- that the matter is more complicated than the Slate article says. But the state's own claim is that the guy they are executing inspired the murder that was actually carried out by the guy who made a deal and was sentenced to prison. It seems unjust on its face to send an actual murderer to prison, while a co-conspirator gets put to death. After all, the murderer had the last chance to prevent the crime. And this guy has attracted the support of one of most conservative (former) Senators, which should count for something.

Yeah, that is pretty unjust. I honestly don't know how some of these prosecutors live with themselves.

By offering a reduced sentence they were able to convict two criminals instead of just one. How is that not more just than letting the second criminal get away with it?
 
By offering a reduced sentence they were able to convict two criminals instead of just one. How is that not more just than letting the second criminal get away with it?

The problem with that is that offering a reduced sentence could also induce a criminal to implicate an innocent person in order to lessen his own punishment.
 
There's always a potentially innocent person about to be executed. That's the problem. One of the problems. Among the problems.
 
The problem with that is that offering a reduced sentence could also induce a criminal to implicate an innocent person in order to lessen his own punishment.

That is possible. It is possible even without a second criminal. I might accuse anyone of anything. This is the purpose of a jury and a trial - to determine, beyond a reasonable doubt, what the facts are. This is further bolstered by the appeals process, judicial review, and executive review.
 
Plea bargaining in murder cases when one party admits to murder is utter crap.

Oh, please. I love America and Americans. I really do. But the American police and legal systems suck arse.
 

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