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Pot for rheumatoid arthritis?

MinnesotaBrant

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I was talking to my friend and I guess he stopped talking the naproxin I gave him after taking two pills for his arthritis because he thought it was too dangerous it was too dangerous. Now he has the idea of putting pot in his juice smoothies to help with his inflamation. Is there any scientific basis to this? Is it better than naproxen? Holy **** there is something to this. I guess they are making a pot based drug for rheumatoid arthritis according to web MD. WHO KNEW?

http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news/20051108/pot-based-drug-promising-for-arthritis
 
I use marijuana to treat cluster/migraine headaches and fibromyalgia and it is absolutely effective. I know fibro and RA are very similar in presentation so I believe it's something that will work for both. I know there is research out there supporting it but I wouldn't know where to start looking. I'm sure a quick google will yield a lot of results.

If your friend lives in a state or country that allows medicinal cannabis he should be able to find a dispensary that can sell him tinctures or pot based foods that can be amazingly effective without inducing a high.

I have only anecdotal evidence, but I've heard very bad things about synthetic cannabis "based" chemicals. You're much better off going with the unprocessed natural cannabis in my opinion. The drug in it's unaltered form is quite effective and I don't see why it needs to be synthesized and tweaked by a pharmaceutical company before it can be useful.
 
It's not legal here. He was going to run out and buy a lb of it and convert it into hemp oil but I convinced him that thats a federal and he should just buy a little of it if he wants and put it in his smoothie. If he is concerned about a couple naproxen he definately shouldn't be smoking it.
 
Yeah absolutely don't be buying lbs lol. Converting it to oil or butter is the way to go though.

Eating it can actually be a LOT more dangerous if you don't know your dosage. When you smoke it there is feedback on how high you are as you smoke it so at the worst you have a few tokes too many and you put it down.

When you eat it there is a delayed reaction (up to a few hours) and you can actually get really REALLY high if you eat too much.

It's really a shame that someone has to break the law to get a mild painkiller into their system.
 
I think his neighbors would complain if they smelt pot coming out of his room. If he putting it in his smoothing he can always say he is adding oregano or something. It takes 4 hours to cook it to oil. I dont think he could get away with that.
 
ronin688 said:
Eating it can actually be a LOT more dangerous if you don't know your dosage. When you smoke it there is feedback on how high you are as you smoke it so at the worst you have a few tokes too many and you put it down.
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Dangerous? How dangerous? There's no chance of OD, or any sort of toxic side effects. As long as he's not driving or operating heavy machinery, the only "danger" from a heavier-than-intended dose is an increased potential for panic attacks, lethargy, and eating excessive amounts of ice cream and pretzels.

In any case, extracts may be the best option, particularly if anti-inflammatory properties are the most desirable. THC has some useful effects; but CBD (which doesn't cause anxiety attacks, or a "high") is the component with the anti-inflammatory properties. De-coupling it from THC would make it a much more effective treatment.
 
Any processing into oil or butter is a smelly process that's for sure.

Using raw pot in food isn't the way it's usually done though, and a very small dose can get you a big result.

Sort of like how you can smoke a cigarette but eating it releases a much higher amount of nicotine into your body. You could easily die from nicotine poisoning eating a packs worth of cigarettes. Luckily you can't die from pot ingestion, you'd just get way higher than you want to be.

You have to be even more careful than you would with oil/butter when it comes to figuring out dosage using raw pot. Tell your friend to start really small when he has nowhere he needs to be so he can see how it affects him.
 
luchog said:
Dangerous? How dangerous? There's no chance of OD, or any sort of toxic side effects. As long as he's not driving or operating heavy machinery, the only "danger" from a heavier-than-intended dose is an increased potential for panic attacks, lethargy, and eating excessive amounts of ice cream and pretzels.

In any case, extracts may be the best option, particularly if anti-inflammatory properties are the most desirable. THC has some useful effects; but CBD (which doesn't cause anxiety attacks, or a "high") is the component with the anti-inflammatory properties. De-coupling it from THC would make it a much more effective treatment.
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I sort of addressed this in my last post, and I only meant dangerous in terms of how high you get. It can be really unpleasant getting too high on eating pot. Trust me. I'm not talking sit on the couch and get the munchies high, I'm talking fetal-position on the floor so high you think you're gonig to die panic.

I've personally had cookies so strong that I couldn't move and my vision tunneled out and I was basically comatose and blind, flop sweating and nauseous with the room spinning. (I made them myself with raw pot in a cookie mix and used about 4x what I had intended. I wasn't able to walk normally for about 18 hours. Unpleasant.)

EDIT: My wife took one of those batch, or a half of one and later told me she felt like "Eyeballs on the couch" unable to move, disembodied, unable to talk. It was the last time she ever ingested pot.
 
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ronin688 said:
Any processing into oil or butter is a smelly process that's for sure.

Using raw pot in food isn't the way it's usually done though, and a very small dose can get you a big result.

Sort of like how you can smoke a cigarette but eating it releases a much higher amount of nicotine into your body. You could easily die from nicotine poisoning eating a packs worth of cigarettes. Luckily you can't die from pot ingestion, you'd just get way higher than you want to be.

You have to be even more careful than you would with oil/butter when it comes to figuring out dosage using raw pot. Tell your friend to start really small when he has nowhere he needs to be so he can see how it affects him.
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IS there a reason you'd use butter/oil instead of something way easier to dose, like a proper vaporizer?
 
Fishstick said:
IS there a reason you'd use butter/oil instead of something way easier to dose, like a proper vaporizer?
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Well the OP mentioned that his friend was mostly interested in eating it and didn't want to smoke it due to neighbours. I know a vapourizer doesn't make the same level of smoke as a joint, but it does have a smell still.

That being said, RA is the sort of thing where you'd want a long lasting delayed release system for the cannabis. Once you get butter made you can figure out your dose and take as much as you need to function. It is more of a "body stone" compared to the smoking/vapourizing "head stone". A body stone is like taking a handful of advil. You can tune it pretty well so that you aren't "high", but you're getting the pain relieving relaxing effects.
 
Fishstick said:
IS there a reason you'd use butter/oil instead of something way easier to dose, like a proper vaporizer?
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ronin688 said:
Well the OP mentioned that his friend was mostly interested in eating it and didn't want to smoke it due to neighbours. I know a vapourizer doesn't make the same level of smoke as a joint, but it does have a smell still.
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The biggest problem with a vapourizer isn't smoke or smell, it's incomplete release of active components; most importantly CBD. The active components of cannabis need a fairly high heat to be released; and THC releases at a lower heat than CBD. The latter is the more important component, and typical vapourizer temperatures are too low to release more than trace amounts. This method not only fails to provide the anti-inflammatory qualities of CBD; but it also fails to provide its anxiolytic properties as well, resulting a higher likelihood of THC-triggered panic attack.

Cooking is a good way to release sufficient CBD to provide the desired effects, but it must be a fairly high heat. Cooking in butter may not provide sufficiently high heat without burning; but cooking in oil (peanut or grapeseed perferred) should. It's also important to grind the plant material as fine as possible before cooking it to ensure the most complete and efficient release of active components, and more consistent dose control.
 
MNBrant said:
I was talking to my friend and I guess he stopped talking the naproxin I gave him after taking two pills for his arthritis because he thought it was too dangerous it was too dangerous. Now he has the idea of putting pot in his juice smoothies to help with his inflamation. Is there any scientific basis to this? Is it better than naproxen? Holy **** there is something to this. I guess they are making a pot based drug for rheumatoid arthritis according to web MD. WHO KNEW?

http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news/20051108/pot-based-drug-promising-for-arthritis
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For the drug to be effective it can't just be tossed into something and eaten. The active ingredient simply does not metabolize without preparation. Not that i condone nor support it, but if he just tosses it into a smoothie, he will be getting the same effect as a homeopathic pill.
 
My friend tried cooking what he thought was a good amount in coconut oil and ate it with no effect. He might have gotten ripped off you think? It didn't help with his pain either.
 
MNBrant said:
My friend tried cooking what he thought was a good amount in coconut oil and ate it with no effect. He might have gotten ripped off you think? It didn't help with his pain either.
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It's really impossible to tell with that information. I think if he is in a situation where he's not able to trust who he's getting it from that he should look for other options to help with his pain.

When you're buying pot off the street and cooking it with little or no experience you're just asking for trouble.

Reading this makes me really so thankful for having a legitimate dispensary to deal with. It makes things so much easier. I will look around and see if I can find any online resources for you to pass on. I know there are good sites out there, but figuring out which are worthwihle and which aren't is tough.
 
Pot works for getting stoned, and that can be a distraction from one's mental groove.
I would never eat it. I tried that once, and it was ghastly. I thought I was going to die, and I'm a hippy.
 
My friend is looking for better pot. The stuff he got didnt work for his arthritus. He said it barely made him high.
 
MNBrant said:
I was talking to my friend and I guess he stopped talking the naproxin I gave him after taking two pills for his arthritis because he thought it was too dangerous it was too dangerous. Now he has the idea of putting pot in his juice smoothies to help with his inflamation. Is there any scientific basis to this? Is it better than naproxen? Holy **** there is something to this. I guess they are making a pot based drug for rheumatoid arthritis according to web MD. WHO KNEW?

http://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/news/20051108/pot-based-drug-promising-for-arthritis
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That's from 2005, and was only the first trial. Now, Sativex is aimed at multiple sclerosis sufferers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabiximols


My mother-in-law has tried everything for rheumatoid arthritis, and no doctor or specialist has recommended marijuana.

She's finally found relief with injections of a new drug whose name I forget. I'll find out what it is.
 
Why isnt' MJ active ingredients available by prescription, and via other routes?

Can some one explain to me why the active and effective ingredients in MJ aren't available by prescription? And in some other adminstration means?
 
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