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Pope concerned about "psuedo-mystics"

jimtron

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From this Telegraph article, yet another doozy from the Pope:
The Pope has ordered thorough investigations to be carried out into people who claim they have seen visions of the Virgin Mary...
He is hoping to cut down on an explosion in the number of bogus heavenly apparitions with new guidelines to help his bishops to root out frauds.
Benedict XVI plans to publish criteria to help them to distinguish between true and false claims of visions of Jesus and the Virgin Mary, messages, stigmata, weeping and bleeding statues and Eucharistic miracles...The Pope is said to be deeply concerned by the explosion in the number of pseudo-mystics who, claiming a direct line to God, set themselves against the bishops and lure the Catholic faithful out of the Church and into disobedient cults.
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Pseudo-mystics who claim a direct line to God--sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?
 
It is totally amazing ... and strangely alluring ... with what kind of garbage some people can get away with.
 
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They will use exorcists (among others) to determine if the visions are legit or not. It really freaks me out that the Vatican still advocates exorcisms.
 
Wait, I forgot. Which one is the Pope again?





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Here is an article from The Daily Telegraph.


'"According to Petrus, an Italian online magazine which leans towards conservative elements in the Vatican, anyone who claims to have seen an apparition will only be believed as long as they remain silent and do not court publicity over their claims. If they refuse to obey, this will be taken as a sign that their claims are false.

The visionaries will then be visited by a team of psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics, to certify their mental health while theologians will assess the content of any heavenly messages to see if they contravene Church teachings.

If the visionary is considered credible they will ultimately be questioned by one or more demonologists and exorcists to exclude the possibility that Satan is hiding behind the apparitions in order to deceive the faithful.

Guidelines for the approval of apparitions and revelations were last issued in 1978. They lay down that a diocesan bishop can "either on his own initiative or at the request of the faithful" choose to investigate an alleged apparition. He then submits a report to the Vatican for approval."
 
Why anybody would take an old guy in a silly hat and a dress seriously is beyond me.
 
Would Da Papa be interested in providing scientific criteria to separate pseudo-mystics from the real ones?


I'll hold my breath!
 
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JFrankA said:
welll......you know that hat was designed for a rabbit.....


:D


(gotta love South Park)
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Peter rabbit, upon this rock shall I found my church.

Sanctum Peter Cotium
Deus ri hunnam
hippitus hoppitus reus domine

In suus via torreium
Lepis en ei sanctum
hippitus hoppitus reus domine
 
dafydd said:
Here is an article from The Daily Telegraph.


'"According to Petrus, an Italian online magazine which leans towards conservative elements in the Vatican, anyone who claims to have seen an apparition will only be believed as long as they remain silent and do not court publicity over their claims. If they refuse to obey, this will be taken as a sign that their claims are false.
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In other words: The Truth is the exclusive domain of the church.

This article is a treasure trove of asshattery.

The visionaries will then be visited by a team of psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics, to certify their mental health while theologians will assess the content of any heavenly messages to see if they contravene Church teachings.
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"...psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics.." Are all non-Catholics atheists? Or are they really saying that non-Catholic believers are excluded?

If the visionary is considered credible they will ultimately be questioned by one or more demonologists and exorcists to exclude the possibility that Satan is hiding behind the apparitions in order to deceive the faithful.
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I'm just thrilled to find out that a possible future career path is demonologist.

Guidelines for the approval of apparitions and revelations were last issued in 1978. They lay down that a diocesan bishop can "either on his own initiative or at the request of the faithful" choose to investigate an alleged apparition. He then submits a report to the Vatican for approval."
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Didn't the Ghost Busters have a problem of not being properly licensed? This is how you go about getting the seal of approval.
 
Beerina said:
Would Da Papa be interested in providing scientific criteria to separate pseudo-mystics from the real ones?


I'll hold my breath!
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Well the process involves psychiatrists so it could be rather tricky.
 
hgc said:
In other words: The Truth is the exclusive domain of the church.
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Well some of the truth yes that is kinda the point.

"...psychiatrists, either atheists or Catholics.." Are all non-Catholics atheists? Or are they really saying that non-Catholic believers are excluded?
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Or could be poor wording. No real benifit in haveing someone heavily into say eastern orthodox involved. Would depend on what the original italian/latin says but could well be looking to indicate secular rather than atheist.
 
hgc said:
Are all non-Catholics atheists?
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Yes. See, they're using the old Greek definition, wherein anyone who doesn't believe in their god is an atheist. Socrates was called an atheist because he asked questions (despite professing belief in the Greek gods).
 
jimtron said:
Pseudo-mystics who claim a direct line to God--sounds oddly familiar, doesn't it?
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I'm no fan of the Pope, but I can see where he is coming from. I am a fan of institutionalized religion, as opposed to personal revelation based stuff and cults. Sure, it all sounds happy, hippy and fun, but in my limited experience and understanding that is where the really nasty **** goes down, not in say the Methodists or RC. Sure we get child molesting catholic priests - like we get child molesting high school teachers - the difference (and utter evil) is if an institutional cover up was carried out -- but we don't get mass suicides or some of the really unpleasant stuff some of the New Religious Movements seem to use against renegade members.

Next problem is theological. Personal mystical revelation in Christianity has a ssytem of checks and balances attached - against reason, against Scripture, against the traditions of the Church. Many mystics are clearly loopy, or heretical - so the Pope is just maintaining his usual control over what he defines as legitimate doctrine. It's what Popes do...

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