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Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?
 
Evolver said:
Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?
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since you'd call losing, winning

I guess we'll just leave you alone
 
Evolver said:
Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?
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What would you say is a left wing moron's view of Kerry..

That he is electable, perhaps?

Oh, and doesn't propaganda often contain an element of truth? It would be pretty easy to verify the allegations proposed in this cartoon...
Perhaps some left wing morons will actually look into it.
Or maybe they really don't care..
 
Not quite facts. Factoids maybe.

Using Limbaugh techniques to take things out of context to make their opponent sound worse than they are.

I'm no Kerry fan. I wish the Dems came up with a better alternative to Bush. But here goes:

I don't believe Kerry calls himself a war hero. Others do that for him.

Yeah, Kerry voted against some weapons. But he voted for some as well. Not every weapon is a good idea.

"I say I supported most of the tax cuts" Wrong. He has said he supports cutting taxes, but he never said he supported "the tax cuts", Bush's ill conceived windfall for the ultra-rich.

Many Senators voted for the Patriot Act, but are now against it.
 
Evolver said:
Not quite facts. Factoids maybe.

Using Limbaugh techniques to take things out of context to make their opponent sound worse than they are.
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They are facts. Kerry DID vote for the Patriot Act. Kerry DID vote to support the war in Iraq. There is no context which to take the facts out of. His voting record speaks for itself.
 
They are facts. Kerry DID vote for the Patriot Act. Kerry DID vote to support the war in Iraq. There is no context which to take the facts out of. His voting record speaks for itself.
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Speaking for myself, When Bush/Powell/Etc. were making their case for the war I was on the fence, if the "facts" they presented were true, I would have supported the war. After over a year, it's become evident those "facts" were highly suspect if not completely bogus.

I think a reasonable person cannot be held to an opinion when it turns out the facts they used to formulate that opinion turn out to be wrong. Do you disagree? Do you think once an opinion is made, you should stick to it, regardless how circumstances change?
 
DavidJames said:
Do you think once an opinion is made, you should stick to it, regardless how circumstances change?
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Frighteningly enough, this seems to be exactly what President Bush and his supporters think.
 
Tony said:

His voting record speaks for itself.
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And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say, just because he (and you) keeps repeating it. Again, look at the context of the votes.
 
AH yes "facts".

Like on Hannity n Combs last night. THe topic was high gas prices and Bushs lack of action. What did Hannity talk about?? How John Kerry wanted "a 50 cent tax increase."

Of cosure that was like10 years ago, he would never do that today, AND thats totally irrelevent to the issue of GW's lack of action on the gas prices.
 
Evolver said:


And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say, just because he (and you) keeps repeating it.
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Huh? So you deny those facts? And wtf is "And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say"? I don't give a sh!t about Bush.

Again, look at the context of the votes.
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Better yet, why don't YOU tell me the context of Kerry's votes and how his votes were taken out of said context. And then explain how it's relevant to the facts.

Kerry on:

Welfare Reform

In 1988, Sen. Kerry voted against a proposal to require at least one parent in any two-parent welfare family to work a mere 16 hours a week, declaring the work requirement "troublesome to me."
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During his 1996 re-election campaign, when his Republican challenger, Gov. William Weld, was calling him soft on welfare, Kerry voted for the much stricter welfare reform law that Clinton signed into law.
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Mandatory Minimums

In 1993 and 1994, the senator from liberal Massachusetts voted against mandatory minimum sentences for gang activity, gun crimes, drug trafficking, and drug sales to minors, explaining in an impassioned speech that long sentences for some dealers who sell to minors would be "enormous injustices" and that some convicted drug offenders were "so barely culpable it is sad." He also said congressionally imposed mandatory minimums made no sense and would just create turf battles between federal and local prosecutors.
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Today, presidential candidate Kerry strongly supports mandatory minimum sentences for federal crimes, including the sale of drugs to minors.
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Affirmative Action

In 1992, Kerry created a huge stir among liberals and civil rights groups with a major policy address arguing that affirmative action has "kept America thinking in racial terms" and helped promote a "culture of dependency."
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Today, Kerry's campaign Web site vows to "Preserve Affirmative Action," noting that he "consistently opposed efforts in the Senate to undermine or eliminate affirmative action programs, and supports programs that seeks to enhance diversity." It doesn't mention any downside.
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Death Penalty

During one of his debates with Weld in 1996, Kerry ridiculed the idea of capital punishment for terrorists as a "terrorist protection policy," predicting that it would just discourage other nations from extraditing captured terrorists to the United States.
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Kerry still opposes capital punishment, but he now makes an exception for terrorists.
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Education Reform

In a 1998 policy speech the Boston Globe described as "a dramatic break from Democratic dogma," Kerry challenged teachers unions by proposing to gut their tenure and seniority systems, giving principals far more power to hire and fire unqualified or unmotivated teachers.
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Today, Kerry once again espouses pure Democratic dogma on education. His Web site pledges to "stop blaming and start supporting public school educators," vowing to give them "better training and better pay, with more career opportunities, more empowerment and more mentors." It doesn't mention seniority or tenure.
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Face it, Kerry is a slime ball, piece of sh!t politician.
 
Is it fair to compare things he said like 15 years ago to things he says now??? Times change.

Bush said he wouldnt get into nationbuilding. Now were in Iraq.

Why??? Crazy little thing like 911 changed peoples attitudes.
 
Tmy said:
AH yes "facts".

Like on Hannity n Combs last night. THe topic was high gas prices and Bushs lack of action. What did Hannity talk about?? How John Kerry wanted "a 50 cent tax increase."

Of cosure that was like10 years ago, he would never do that today, AND thats totally irrelevent to the issue of GW's lack of action on the gas prices.
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Not only was Kerry's comment more than 10 years ago, but it was only a comment. Unlike Cheney who actually sponsed a bill to increase taxes on gasoline. Cheney's record on taxation? Troubling!
 
How terribly unfair...how typical of the unthinking followers of the partisan elite...to dare and drag a man's voting record, or his actions, and positions he has taken publicly into it...and then to dare to label them as facts...the very nerve!!!

How is anyone supposed to run a campaign when some people refuse to listen to reason, and keep wasting everyone's time with things like that, instead of sticking to the issues??

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