Poll: Mistrust of America Higher than Ever

Mr Manifesto

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But the divide was not just between the US and the Muslim world. Divisions remained unabated between Europe and the US as well.

The poll was conducted in February before the deadly attacks in Madrid, but at the time the survey was conducted, fewer Europeans backed the war on terror.

In 2004, 57% of those polled in France and 49% of those asked in Germany thought the US was overreacting to terrorism.

George Bush and Tony Blair were seen as lying about the reasons for going to war in Iraq.

And Europeans are increasingly sceptical of the US and its motives.

In Germany and France, the great majority (82% Germany, 78% France) say as a consequence of the war they have less confidence that the US is trustworthy

Majorities in six of the nine countries surveyed do not believe that the US-led war on terrorism is a sincere effort to reduce international terrorism.

Instead, many believe that the US wants to control oil supplies or dominate the world.

PEW Research Centre

I've never heard of PEW, so I've included a link to the survey findings. If the survey is accurate, it demonstrates what the peace crowd have been saying all along: the war ain't gonna do nuthin' for Yankland's image on the world stage.
 
Instead, many believe that the US wants to control oil supplies or dominate the world.

And people say Americans are stupid and uneducated, well that statement shows that ignorance knows no bounds.
 
France and Germany polls show they are still opposed to the war in Iraq! Shocking! Who would have guessed? Good thing we didn't wait for them to disenfranchise themselves from Iraq before we invaded, eh?

Is it any surprise that these same Europeans are buying into the wild 9/11 conspiracy theories, too?

Make no mistake. The number of Germans, French and other Europeans who believe in a secret American conspiracy surrounding 9/11 is a minority. But it's sizable: one in five Germans, for example, says it's possible that Bush ordered up 9/11 as a pretext for world conquest, according to a July poll by the weekly Die Zeit.

Two years after September 11, German bookstores are flooded with such works as "The CIA and September 11," in which a former government minister of Research and Technology, Andreas von Bulow, insinuates that the U.S. and Israeli intelligence services blew up the World Trade Center from the inside. The two Boeings, he claims, were flown in by remote control as a cover-up. The whole thing was a cynical plot by America's neoconservatives to take over the world.
Published last month by the otherwise reputable Piper Verlag, the minister's book has already jumped to number three on the nonfiction best-seller list. The only books more popular are two works by Michael Moore, ...

From here.
 
Another source of what kind of crackpot Germans believe in.

Andreas von Bulow's book has climbed the German bestseller list, his lectures are jammed and, after two years of mounting frustration, his ideas are gaining traction. His thesis:
The U.S. government staged the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington to justify wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is a tentative theory, he admits, based mostly on his doubt that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist group launched the attacks. "That's something that is simply 99% false," he said at a reading of his book on the second anniversary of the attacks.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
...the war ain't gonna do nuthin' for Yankland's image on the world stage.


Why single out New England and the North Eastern US?
 
Luke T, don't forget the French now.

Throughout the spring, and into this summer, a leading bestseller in France has not been some great work of French literature but a $17-dollar paperback called the "Horrifying Fraud."

The book casts doubt on the official version of the events of September 11, substituting an elaborate conspiracy concocted by America's military-industrial complex in order to increase U.S. military budgets.

It has sold more than 200,000 copies here -- a huge success in French terms --attracting interest from readers like Eduard Chabanon and Naoufal Lahlou who are sceptical about much of what they are learn from the news.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
If the survey is accurate, it demonstrates what the peace crowd have been saying all along: the war ain't gonna do nuthin' for Yankland's image on the world stage.

You mean this Pew poll?


America's image abroad remains negative in most nations, though it has improved somewhat in Russia, Turkey, and Pakistan. Vast majorities in predominantly Muslim countries continue to hold unfavorable opinions of the U.S, though the intensity of anti-American views has moderated.

Opinion of the U.S. in Russia is now about evenly divided, with 47% favorable and 44% unfavorable. Positive views of the U.S. in Russia have risen 11 points in the past year. But U.S. favorability ratings in France and Germany are somewhat lower than last year and there has been a larger decline in Great Britain (58% now, 70% last year). Young people in Great Britain, France, and Germany have more negative views of America than do people in other age groups.

Majorities in the Muslim nations surveyed hold negative views of the United States, though opinion has softened. In all four of these nations, fewer respondents hold very unfavorable opinions of the U.S. now than did so last year. For example, 45% in Turkey now hold a very unfavorable opinion of the U.S., down from 68% last May. There have been comparable declines in intense dislike of the U.S. in Pakistan and Jordan. Strong dislike of the U.S. moderated in Morocco as well, though not as much as in the other Muslim nations surveyed.

Image of the US improving amongst Muslims? Who would have guessed? Certainly not the peace crowd, huh?

MattJ
 
in other news....


Never has American prestige in Europe been lower. People never tire of telling you of the ignorance and rowdy-ism of American troops, of out misunderstanding of European conditions. They say that the theft and sale of Army supplies by our troops is the basis of their black market. They blame us for the corruption and disorganization of UNRRA. They blame us for the fumbling timidity of our negotiations with the Soviet Union. They tell us that our mechanical de-nazification policy in Germany is producing results opposite to those we planned. “Have you no statesmen in America?” they ask.

http://www.kultursmog.com/Life-Page01.htm
 
Mr Manifesto said:
Luke T: Are people in the UK crackpots, too?

They eat black pudding, don't they? :)

But on a serious note, wasn't the BBC or some such major news organization just punished for falsifying the facts about Tony Blair? Their bias must have had an influence on public opinion.
 
Chaos said:


So now you are picking the looniest conspiracy theory crackpot you could find and portray him as typical for Germany?

Great work really. *throws up on keyboard*

1 in 5 Germans believe this looniest of conspiracy theories. That's pretty substantial.

edited to add: I also have pointed out that France and Germany didn't want the U.S. to invade Iraq to begin with, so it shouldn't be surprising they "mistrust" us now. But I believe their motives for opposing the war were as related to financial matters as much, if not more than, as people claim the U.S.'s motives were.
 
Luke T. said:


They eat black pudding, don't they? :)

But on a serious note, wasn't the BBC or some such major news organization just punished for falsifying the facts about Tony Blair? Their bias must have had an influence on public opinion.

Many are of the opinion that the Hutton inquiry was a whitewash. I'm sure our UK posters can add to this.
 
Mr Manifesto said:
If the survey is accurate, it demonstrates what the peace crowd have been saying all along: the war ain't gonna do nuthin' for Yankland's image on the world stage.
Conducting foreing policy solely on the grounds of pleasing others is a fools errand. Anyone who thinks that foreign relations are more important than our own security are wrong.

Diplomacy is important and we must not abondon it. We should strive to improve relations and those relations I'm sure will improve. But we are no longer in the cold war and America because of its postion will be a source of contempt regardless and appeasement and bowing to foreign will only bring more contempt.

We must decide on a course of action that is best for us. Not ignoring the opinion of others but not putting it first on our list either. To think that our "image" is paramount is to be blind to history.
 
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RandFan said:
Conducting foreing policy solely on the grounds of pleasing others is a fools errand. Anyone who thinks that foreign relations are more important than our own security are wrong.

How did the war in Iraq do anything for American security? As far as I can tell, all it's done is kill off six hundred Americans who otherwise wouldn't have died.


Diplomacy is important and we must not abondon it. We should strive to improve relations and those relations I'm sure will improve. But we are no longer in the cold war and America because of its postion will be a source of contempt regardless and appeasement and bowing to foreign will only bring more contempt.

You don't think America's aggresive foreign policy is a factor?


We must decide on a course of action that is best for us. Not ignoring the opinion of others but not putting it first on our list either. To think that our "image" is paramount is to be blind to history.

Lofty words. Wouldn't convincing people that America means well through her actions achieve this, more than blowing the crap out of everything?
 
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Mr Manifesto said:


How did the war in Iraq do anything for American security? As far as I can tell, all it's done is kill off six hundred Americans who otherwise wouldn't have died.

You don't think America's aggresive foreign policy is a factor?

Lofty words. Wouldn't convincing people that America means well through her actions achieve this, more than blowing the crap out of everything?

What exactly have countries like Germany and France done to raise their image in America?
 
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Grammatron said:


What exactly have countries like Germany and France done to raise their image in America?

They aren't invading other countries.
 

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