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LW

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For a few months now I've been watching how the "Tony Halme Saga" continues. Most of you have probably never heard of him but he is a Finnish parlamentarian who will be soon facing a trial on rather numerous charges. The thing that prompted me to write this is his comment from yesterday where he stated that the whole affair "hadn't damaged his credibility as a member of parliament". (I kind of agree, since in my opinion he didn't have any credibility to start with). But anyway, I'll outline here the sequence of events and I'd like your opinion whether a politician who behaved like he did could have a hope for future career in your countries.

First, as a general background. Halme is a former boxer (not good enough to be real professional). Some of the US readers may have encountered him when he was a professional wrestler in WWF (or whatever it was then) for about a year under the pseudonym "Ludwig Borga". I don't know the details of his professional career, but I'm under the impression that apart from being a boxer and wrestler he has mostly been a bouncer.

In our last parlamentary election he managed to get a seat. His campaign theme was mostly on anti-foreigner, anti-homosexual, anti-criminal, anti-drug, "choose a real man instead of crooked politicians" line.

The events for which he will face charges happened few months ago. The outline of the events have been presented in media like this:

- He went to a bar, took a lot of alcohol, hormones and some amphetamine
- drove home, under influence of said chemicals
- had a row with his wife
- grabbed his unlicenced (and thus illegal) handgun and fired few shots at something without hitting anything particularly important
- collapsed down
- spent next three weeks in intensive care unit of a hospital recovering from severe poisoning resulting from his chemical mixture.

In addition, when police started to investigate this affair they found a huge stash of hormones from his home. It is legal to have small amounts of them for personal use here, but traficking them is a crime.

The outline doesn't necessarily reflect thruthfully the chain of events. Halme has admitted taking alcohol and hormones as well as firing the unlicenced gun and he claims that someone spiked his drink with the amphetamine. He doesn't admit the DUI bit. He also claims that the hormone stash was all for his personal use, even though there were thousands of capsules.

Well, what do you say, could a politician hope for a career after similar incident in your countries?
 
.http://home1.gte.net/bharrell/tkennedy.htm


The site is obviously incredibly slanted, but the facts are as follows:

Senator Ted Kennedy was at a party and had gotten intoxicated. He then was driving a woman named Mary Jo Kapeckne (sp) to the ferry back to the mainland.

The official story is that he made a wrong turn, missed a bridge and drove into the water. He swam to safety, she drown. He did not report the accident for upwards of 7 hours.

Basically, the very least he would be guilty of would be driving while intoxicated and negligent homicide.

The worst (depending on if you buy into some of the theories regarding an affair and blackmail) would be first degree murder.

As it staed on the site I linked, he never served any jail time over the incident.

And, he is still a prominant senator in the US.
 
If the person who got into the car with him knew he was drunk, why is he guilty of negligent homicide? She knew the risks, chose to accept them and unfortunately died. Sounds like he was guilty of DUI, but her death is her responsibility.
 
I'm not talking about morally. Morally, you're right, she knew he was drunk (unless she was drunk, as well, which would mean that he would still be guilty of neglegent homicide due to her impared judgment.)

Legally, however, if I had done the same thing, I would be charged with, and most likely convicted of, neglegent homicide.

The reason for this (and it's been a LLOOOONNNNGGGG time since I took any law classes, but it was criminal law in the stae where this happened.) is, if I am recalling this correctly, Massachusetts defines any dealth resulting from the commision of a non-felony crime as neglegent homicide.
 

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