Plumbing from the gas chamber @ Dachau.

[TSR]

Hey, Saggy!

Over here, in an attempt to defend your lie about there not being a homicidal gas chamber @ Dachau, you said

The hoax gas chamber at Dachau is a shower room.

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When challenged to:

... point out where the drains and actual plumbing is, then?

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you replied

You bet. Photos of the actual plumbing featured prominently in early holohoax lies.

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You ran away before actually producing these photos. And also seem to have forgotten the question of why the Nazis would put a shower in a building containing four disinfestations rooms? Why would a shower need two bin-like drawers leading to the exterior protected on the inside by a grating?

Here's your chance to address these points.
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[TSR]

Bump for Saggy, so zie can find it more easily.

In support of zir thesis that the gas chamber @ Dachau was merely a shower room, Saggy offers an off topic post in another thread in which zie had been whining about others' off topic containing this link.

Once again, Saggy does not actually review zir own sources, since this chapter of this documentary very clearly calls the gas chamber what it is, but apparently has been pointed to ~ 05:57 -- 06:10 of this clip.

Is there *anyone* that thinks this shows a water valve and plumbing -- are that misinterprets the comment "...and another batch of victims screamed their lives out beyond the grill?"

 

[Budly]

I don't understand, but no one thinks there was a gassing extermination program at Dachau. Including prominent holocaust historians. And the allegation at one time is that Zyklon B was used, but Zyklon B doesn't travel through pipes. It is gas absorbed in chalky pellets. You pour the pellets into a room. No pipes.

 

[Simon39759]

The Dachau gaz chambers were initially planned as part as an effort to fumigate clothing for lice control. By the time the building came under construction, though, people at other camps had already discovered how efficient Zyklon B was as a tool of extermination, so the Nazis apparently changed their plans a bit a designed one of the chamber for extermination purpose. It is actually constructed quite differently than the fumigation chambers, larger, with a heavy steel door and such, this lay to rest the denier claim that all gas chambers were for fumigation purposes, we can easily differentiate between the two types.

One of the reason that might have motivated the Nazis to adapt Dachau for a more exterminationist purpose was the evacuation of the Eastern camps in front of the Soviet's advance that was happening at the time, Dachau was receiving a large influx of prisoners for these camps and was expecting more. It was getting crowded and typhus epidemics were breaking out (which, in turn, accelerated the construction of the chambers building). It simply seems that, while building the chambers to try to fight the epidemic, the Nazis also decided to had some extermination chambers so that they would have the option to cut the problem at the base, the overcrowding, if need be.

As for the actual use of the murdering gas chambers, there is little documentation. The building came into service relatively late.
It is likely that they were used but certainly never to an extent comparable with that of the Aktion Reinhard camps...

 

[Saggy]

I don't understand, but no one thinks there was a gassing extermination program at Dachau. Including prominent holocaust historians. And the allegation at one time is that Zyklon B was used, but Zyklon B doesn't travel through pipes. It is gas absorbed in chalky pellets. You pour the pellets into a room. No pipes.

You have correctly summarized the current state of affairs. However, at different times three different methods of getting the gas into the shower room have been 'documented' by the 'authorities'. One of those methods is that the gas was piped in through the shower pipes. A British propaganda film made shortly after the war shows how the pipes and valves were used to control the flow of gas into the room. Once you see the film, you'll know why it was never shown until it appeared on a FrontLine TV program. You can see it online now at .....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/camp/view/

This is a must see film.

There is a lot of info on the Dachau shower room and the various attempts to portray it as as 'homicidal gas chamber' at ....

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapBook/GasChamber/Index.html

One amusing note is that the 'authorities' are now so desperate to hide their lies that the room containing the pipes and valves, and the room beneath the shower room (it was also 'documented' that the gas came into the shower room through the drain !) are both closed to the public.

We might as well have a pic ..... this is not a picture of the door to the hoax gas chamber, but it was widely published at the end of the war as the door to the 'homicidal gas chamber' at Dachau, note the skull and crossbones and the warning 'Danger - Gas' .... LOL ... (note for the novice: it is the door to a fumigation room used to delouse clothing to prevent typhus)

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau/GasChamber.jpg

Edited by LashL: 

Removed hotlinked image.

 

[dafydd]

I don't understand, but no one thinks there was a gassing extermination program at Dachau. Including prominent holocaust historians. And the allegation at one time is that Zyklon B was used, but Zyklon B doesn't travel through pipes. It is gas absorbed in chalky pellets. You pour the pellets into a room. No pipes.

I'm so happy to hear that there was no gassing program at the Dachau Holiday Camp.

 

[commandlinegamer]

I've maybe missed the point here, but is Saggy trying to argue the fact that the gas chamber at Dachau was a shower means the Holocaust never happened? How does he explain the other camps for which there is evidence that gassing did occur?

 

[Belz...]

One amusing note

That' a thing that pisses me off about conspiracy theorists. It's FUNNY to them.

I don't think it's funny.

 

[VonKleist]

I don't understand, but no one thinks there was a gassing extermination program at Dachau. Including prominent holocaust historians. And the allegation at one time is that Zyklon B was used, but Zyklon B doesn't travel through pipes. It is gas absorbed in chalky pellets. You pour the pellets into a room. No pipes.

Good to see you are aware of the delivery method of Zyklon B. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there was no extermination program at Dachau and therefore you conclude that Zyklon B wasn't used there. The inference, then, is that you are well aware that Zyklon B WAS used where there was an extermination program.

 

[TSR]

You have correctly summarized the current state of affairs. However, at different times three different methods of getting the gas into the shower room have been 'documented' by the 'authorities'.

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Of course, Saggy will once again attempt to distract from the fact that zie will now have to run and find someone to give him this documentation, refuse to supply it in context, and then desperately try to distract from the matter when it turns out the *actual* "authorities" involved could not possibly have been authoritative on the matter, or were simply mistaken, which latter Saggy will insist proves mendacity...
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One of those methods is that the gas was piped in through the shower pipes. A British propaganda film made shortly after the war shows how the pipes and valves were used to control the flow of gas into the room. Once you see the film, you'll know why it was never shown until it appeared on a FrontLine TV program. You can see it online now at .....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/camp/view/

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No, it shows a single crank being used, with no way to know to what it was attached, and what is likely to be ductwork, unless Saggy wants to posit something other that the section I have highlighted from 5:57 -- 6:10.

Saggy still cannot support his claim that the plumbing to the showerheads existed, because none did.

Saggy does not even know enough about the matter to realize that HCN is lighter than air, and so any method which does not at some level release the gas at waist level at least is going to require some sort of positive ventilation to fill the room to the point where it could be breathed in. This is why the gas was released into the the room via two bins which opened to the outside -- a curious feature for a shower room.
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This is a must see film.

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Indeed -- and you should watch it with the sound up, so you can hear the narrarator explicitly talk about "beyond the grate."
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There is a lot of info on the Dachau shower room and the various attempts to portray it as as 'homicidal gas chamber' at ....

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapBook/GasChamber/Index.html

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I especially recommend looking at para 6 on this page where it says

On the left in the photo above, behind the recently-added white table, are the two bins on the outside wall through which Zyklon-B poison gas pellets could be poured into the gas chamber. The openings for the bins, which were formerly hidden behind a three-sided wooden screen that was attached to the wall, were centered on the inside wall of the gas chamber. A small rectangular hole between the two bins has been boarded up and there is no corresponding hole on the inside of the gas chamber.

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Why would a shower room need these, Saggy? Can you find a *single* place on that site where it is said that this was a shower room, or which shows the connections to the shower heads?

Seriously -- when some denier tells you something is so, you should really do more than skim: the context usually destroys your cherry pick, assuming that the entire work isn't questionable to begin with. That way you won't appear quite so much the fool.
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One amusing note is that the 'authorities' are now so desperate to hide their lies that the room containing the pipes and valves, and the room beneath the shower room (it was also 'documented' that the gas came into the shower room through the drain !) are both closed to the public.

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No, they are not. Indeed, they are not on the "normal tour," but they are not closed. Go ahead, try to document this claim.
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We might as well have a pic ..... this is not a picture of the door to the hoax gas chamber, but it was widely published at the end of the war as the door to the 'homicidal gas chamber' at Dachau, note the skull and crossbones and the warning 'Danger - Gas' .... LOL ... (note for the novice: it is the door to a fumigation room used to delouse clothing to prevent typhus)

[qimg]http://www.scrapbookpages.com/dachau/GasChamber.jpg[/qimg]

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Just like your claim that there were "many articles" in the NYT during WWI discussing a holocaust, this "widely published" is based on nothing more than your pathological need that it be so.
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[TSR]

bump for Saggy, since zie seems to have forgotten to respond when zie was on earlier...

 

[Saggy]

bump for Saggy, since zie seems to have forgotten to respond when zie was on earlier...

Just one thing to ad, the photograph of door to the hoax Dachau gas chamber above is shown on the USHMM web site with the caption "A soldier from the U.S. 7th Army examines the door to a gas chamber in the Dachau concentration camp. [Photograph #61985]". The holohoax lying never stops.

 

[TSR]

Just one thing to ad, the photograph of door to the hoax Dachau gas chamber above is shown on the USHMM web site with the caption "A soldier from the U.S. 7th Army examines the door to a gas chamber in the Dachau concentration camp. [Photograph #61985]". The holohoax lying never stops.

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And where does it say a *homicidal* gas chamber? Because they seem to make a distinction between *the* gas chamber and *a* gas chamber, as seen here vs. here

Seriously, dude: study your sources first. The only lies here are yours.

Did you find anywhere on scrapbookpages where it says the homicidal gas chamber was actually a shower?

Any idea why a shower room would need two bins opening to the outside?

Any luck on finding documentation that the showerheads were connected to anything having to do with water?

Any chance of you supporting your lie that this picture was "widely published" as being to *the* gas chamber, or that these rooms are closed to the public, or that "three different methods" were endorsed by "the authorities," or ...

And do please hurry with the post that repeats your lies about the Glynn letter: I've got "roger's" demolishing of that all lined up: since it appears you have nothing new to lie about, why not just point out that you've already been schooled on that matter, and any other you might bring up?
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[TSR]

Bump for Saggy, who once again has forgotten that this thread exists....

 

[Thunder]

so, when the Nazis claimed that Estonia was "Judenrein", they were lying?

exaggerating?

 

[dafydd]

Just one thing to ad, the photograph of door to the hoax Dachau gas chamber above is shown on the USHMM web site with the caption "A soldier from the U.S. 7th Army examines the door to a gas chamber in the Dachau concentration camp. [Photograph #61985]". The holohoax lying never stops.

Holohoax,what a moronic term.

 

[Saggy]

Holohoax,what a moronic term.

A succinct definition appears in the Urban Dictionary -

1. holohoax 508 up, 256 down / love it hate it

buy holohoax mugs, tshirts and magnets

Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax, hence holohoax.

In terms of NUMBERS, the "holocaust" is a GROSS EXAGGERATION It is the Holohoax.

1) The number of jews that died under control of the NAZI's was LESS than ONE million, NOT "six".

2) MOST of them died from TYPHUS EPIDEMICS. Most of the REST died from STARVATION and lack of medical care resulting from ALLIED BOMBING RAIDS against food and medicine supply lines.

3) The German war AGAINST TYPHUS was the REAL reason for shaving heads, fumigating buildings, and cremating corpses.

 

[TSR]

Of course, Saggy doesn't even try to support any of these lies, any more than zie can address any of the other lies zie has told:

Did you find anywhere on scrapbookpages where it says the homicidal gas chamber was actually a shower?

Any idea why a shower room would need two bins opening to the outside?

Any luck on finding documentation that the showerheads were connected to anything having to do with water?

Any chance of you supporting your lie that this picture was "widely published" as being to *the* gas chamber, or that these rooms are closed to the public, or that "three different methods" were endorsed by "the authorities," or ...

 

[dafydd]

A succinct definition appears in the Urban Dictionary -

1. holohoax 508 up, 256 down / love it hate it

buy holohoax mugs, tshirts and magnets

Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax, hence holohoax.

In terms of NUMBERS, the "holocaust" is a GROSS EXAGGERATION It is the Holohoax.

1) The number of jews that died under control of the NAZI's was LESS than ONE million, NOT "six".

2) MOST of them died from TYPHUS EPIDEMICS. Most of the REST died from STARVATION and lack of medical care resulting from ALLIED BOMBING RAIDS against food and medicine supply lines.

3) The German war AGAINST TYPHUS was the REAL reason for shaving heads, fumigating buildings, and cremating corpses.

It's still a moronic term only used by people sadly lacking in intelligence.

 

[MaGZ]

I'm so happy to hear that there was no gassing program at the Dachau Holiday Camp.

I assume you are referring to the Olympic-size swimming pool and orchestra.