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Please help explain this to a friend

Julia

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First, a brief background:

A friend of mine is in his mid-60's, and is a life-long atheist and skeptic. Both of his parents were atheists. Most members of his family, male and female, worked in the field of science. My friend told me that while he was growing up, his parents not going to church, spent Sunday's either taking the kids to cultural events, or had people over to discuss science, politics, atheism, etc.

But something happened recently that has been unsettling and contradicts his life-long belief system.

This Summer he went to stay at a cousins flat in New York for a couple of weeks. His cousin had vacated the flat after he and his wife discovered their 20 year old son dead last May. They had been gone a few days and the coroner estimated their son had dead shortly after they left. No cause of death was ever determined. They found him on the floor of his bedroom with no signs of trauma, and an autopsy did not provide any clues.

My friend had only met this young man once, years ago, when he was about 5 years old. All photographs of him had been taken down.

O.K. For no reason inparticular, my friend decided to stay in the young mans bedroom. Being a bit neurotic in an anal-neat-freak way, he had brought his own bedding, and changed the sheets and blankets on the bed. Though he said the room was quite clean, he still vacumed and put things away before going to sleep.

In his dream that night he was walking along an ocean, and a young man with bleached, spiked hair, was skipping and dancing along side of him, looking like "the happiest person" he had ever seen. The young man kept eye contact with him throughout the dream, and though he didn't speak. he just exuded a "pure joy".

In the morning when my friend woke up, he felt something on his forearm. It was the passport of his cousins son. A recent photo, and the young man had bleached, spiked hair, and looked just like the man in his dream.

We have been talking about this quite a bit, and when I brought up dream editing, he admitted that it may explain part of the experience. The part that he is still having difficulty with is how the passport came to be on his arm. He had changed the bedding and cleaned the room, never seeing a passport.

Beyond the dream editing, I am at a loss what to suggest to him.

Any ideas?
 
I think that it is likely that he looked at the passport as he was falling asleep. I know from long experience (with my wife) that although you may be technically awake, you are not really thinking in those few moments before you go to sleep.

Many times I have had direct conversations with my wife as she is drifting off, and she remembers nothing in the morning, not even having a conversation. Why was the passport on his arm? Possibly because he was looking at it as he fell asleep. He may deny this, because he does not remember it, but that pre (and post) sleep dream fugue doesn't always register in the conscious memory.

If he is a skeptic, he will surely recognize that Occams razor is in favor of this explanation.
 
It may be more simple than that. He changed the bedding and thoroughly cleaned everything. Perhaps the passport was kept hidden under the mattress and was moved (unnoticed) to the top of the mattress during the bedding change.

Or while cleaning things elsewhere in the room he moved loose items around with the intent to replace them but overlooked the passport which remained on the bed where he had placed it.
 
I'm with Garrette on this one. The passport may have been shoved between the mattress and box spring, and pulled loose when the old sheet was removed. Add that to a bit of dream editing, and you could end up with the situation described.
 
Also, even if he had not met the young man (recently), obviously the mysterious death of a young man in the family must have been discussed. He might have heard description or seen a picture which he fails to remember (orbituary?). It is not strange that he dreamed about him, actually sleeping in his room ... I consider myself very rational, but I'd have been spooked as heII.

Any explanation on how the passport turned up in the boy's room is more likely than his ghost having kept it for half a year and putting it back --- even if you believe in ghosts :rolleyes:

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Any explanation on how the passport turned up in the boy's room is more likely than his ghost having kept it for half a year and putting it back --- even if you believe in ghosts :rolleyes:
Perhaps he was unable to get a visa for the afterlife and gave up...:D

The thing about the mattress hypothesis is that that's a place where kids put things they don't want found. I wonder if the boy's parents knew he had obtained a passport, and if it could be related to events leading up to his death? Of course, we don't know that it was under the mattress, or whether the kid himself put it wherever it was, or if it got mislaid by his parents while cleaning...there's no telling, really.
 
And of course sleep-walking is entirely out of the question. Maybe he walked to a drawer somewhere and pulled out the passport and subconsciously saw the image of the dead son. Only a suggestion.
 

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