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pistol cartridge micro stamping

Ranb

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The CA Gov signed AB 1471 into law a little while back. This modifies the definition of an unsafe firearm to include semi-automatic pistols that lack a means of micro-stamping the cartridge case in two places upon firing.

AB1471 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_1451-1500/ab_1471_bill_20071013_chaptered.html

PENAL CODE SECTION 12125 http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/12125-12133.html

This new addition to the CA penal code does not apply to the police and some other state and federal agencies operating in California. Knowing that the police are involved in shootings (legal and illegal) in California, I wonder why they are not required to take advantage of this new technology? Perhaps it is because micro stamping is unproven in the real world and may not work well? Or maybe it comes at a cost that the state is unwilling to bear? Probably the sponsors of this bill do not actually believe it will help reduce or prevent crime. Not surprising since some gun control laws in CA are not based on reducing crime but actually are based on merely preventing gun ownership.

Ranb
 
This Law is in no way about a "safe" or "unsafe" firearm (despite the title). This is simply another way for the Police to trace a firearm. I suspect that this will be used primarily to track down the perpetrators of shootings and tack on the extra charge of "using an unsafe firearm." All firearms are inherently unsafe if you are looking down into the barrel. :) IMHO this law will in know way prevent or slow down criminal activity using firearms, because it has the same logical flaw as so many of the anti-gun laws, it presumes that criminals will obey the law. Criminal do not obey laws, that is why they are called criminals. :boggled:
 
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Am I the only one who has ever heard of a "Shot Sock"? I first heard of it in Michigan about 20 years ago.

It's essentially a bag, tailored to the type of firearm, and made of strong, high-temperature fibers. It fits over the breach of the firearm, and captures the spent cartridges, thus neutralizing the benefits of cartridge stamping.
 
Ranb said:
Not surprising since some gun control laws in CA are not based on reducing crime but actually are based on merely preventing gun ownership.

Ranb
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Some? ;) When are they going to figure out that most of the recent gun laws only affect legal, responsible gun owners?
 
Fnord said:
Am I the only one who has ever heard of a "Shot Sock"? I first heard of it in Michigan about 20 years ago.
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I have one for my ar-15. I rarely use it because it is cumbersome, it blocks ready access to the mag release. I rarely hear praise for those brass catchers for pistols either.

Ranb
 
Fnord said:
Am I the only one who has ever heard of a "Shot Sock"? I first heard of it in Michigan about 20 years ago.

It's essentially a bag, tailored to the type of firearm, and made of strong, high-temperature fibers. It fits over the breach of the firearm, and captures the spent cartridges, thus neutralizing the benefits of cartridge stamping.
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Now how often are they used ciminaly?
 
Normal Dude said:
Some? ;) When are they going to figure out that most of the recent gun laws only affect legal, responsible gun owners?
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By some I meant those laws that are merely on the books to prohibit ownership, not to reduce crime. Such as CA's AB50 which added 50 BMG rifles to the list of banned assault weapons, or the San Franciso ban which prohibited handgun ownership within the city limits except for the police, security guards and criminals.

Ranb
 
How often will crooks not bother spending 30 seconds to file down the unique stamping ID? Or not bother to since the gun is stolen?

Like most anti-gun laws, it seems like it would only affect those who bother to follow laws in the first place.
 
The law obviously needs no cooperation from criminals to be effective. Criminals do not manufacture their own guns.

The stated motive is a perfectly simple and reasonable explanation for the law. Absent some clear evidence to the contrary, inventing an ulterior motive to explain it is irrational.
 
Beerina said:
How often will crooks not bother spending 30 seconds to file down the unique stamping ID?
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Do you know where to find the micro stamps, or how to file them?
Or not bother to since the gun is stolen?
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Let's hope. Knowing where and when a gun was obtained by the criminal is a great piece of evidence to help identify the criminal.
 
Michael Redman said:
.....Criminals do not manufacture their own guns.

The stated motive is a perfectly simple and reasonable explanation for the law. Absent some clear evidence to the contrary, inventing an ulterior motive to explain it is irrational.
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Some criminals do manufacture guns. Can you explain the motives behind exempting the police from this law?

Ranb
 
That's Red. Because we should take everything at face value. Especially what comes from our lawmakers. :rolleyes:
 
Michael Redman said:
Do you know where to find the micro stamps, or how to file them?
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Yes. The only parts of the pistol that contact the cartridge case are the barrel chamber, firing pin, extractor, ejector and slide face. All can be removed and examined. The chamber is unlikely to be used to stamp as the brass slides out of it while expanded for a gas seal. The ejector, extractor and firing pin would have the stamping component on the protruding surface and be easy to identify and modify if so desired.

The extractors and slides in some pistols are likely to be fouled with gunpowder residue after prolonged use if not cleaned. The firing pin is the best bet for stamping as it can be made with a square face and raised stamps. A grinding wheel will make quick work of smoothing down any stamping surface.

Ranb
 
Michael Redman said:
Do you know where to find the micro stamps, or how to file them?
Let's hope. Knowing where and when a gun was obtained by the criminal is a great piece of evidence to help identify the criminal.
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I don't know why but my psychic eye is telling me you are anti-gun!!
 
Beerina said:
How often will crooks not bother spending 30 seconds to file down the unique stamping ID? Or not bother to since the gun is stolen?

Like most anti-gun laws, it seems like it would only affect those who bother to follow laws in the first place.
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I agree it might not work as well as expected,but as a Gun Owner I have no problem with this law.
 
Beerina said:
Like most anti-gun laws, it seems like it would only affect those who bother to follow laws in the first place.
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Not to mention promoting a rush to stockpile firearms whenever there's gun-controliness in the air, to get while the gettin's good, and gain pre-ban status. I distinctly remember this happening in the early 90's, when the impending (and entirely irrational) assault-weapons ban was looming. Is that really what gun-control advocates want?
 
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