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"Physics of Vibration Journal"

Ernesto

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I've found some Penta (R) Water at my local Yoga Studio!

They seem to have taken delivery of crates of the stuff, along with several flyers including "Penta (R) the Proof" or "H2Whoaaa!".

Here's a clip from the leaflet:

"The General Physics Institute, Russia, compared Penta water to distilled, tap and filtered water revealing that Penta water is made up of smaller clusters. The research entitled 'Study of cluster molecular structures in various types of liquid water by using spontaneous Raman Spectroscopy" was published in the Physics of Vibration scientific journal, Volume 10 Number 2, 2002. Further studies later verified the clusters to be an average 30% smaller"


I know the whole Penta-thing has a history with Randi but, please, anyone:

Does this journal exist?
Is it possible to make H2O molecules 30% smaller?
Why would smaller H20 molecules enable them to claim that, for example, "You may feel more wide awake about 15-25 minutes after drinking" (on another leaflet I found.)

Thanks for your help
 
LOL...Just for fun, I googled "physics of vibration"...of course there are some special issues of serious physics journals, and of course there is other stuff... actually, I had to stop looking and post just one bit of "other stuff", the very first entry that came up. It is good for a belly-laugh or two.
In the last chapter we showed how the energy of the aether can directly emerge into our physical reality through what is referred to as a “vacuum domain” or VD. This will commonly take up the form of a glowing, rotating sphere of light with a hole that passes through its center, making it look somewhat like an apple, a donut or the inside of an orange. The technical name for this shape is a “spherical torus.” Once a VD is created, anti-gravity effects can be produced, as well as “free energy.” The VD opens a gateway for the higher-pressure aether energy to stream into our physical world, much as a hole in the side of a water tank will cause the water to come rushing out. Gravity waves, which normally press into the earth, are absorbed and transformed into electromagnetism and visible light within these objects. Numerous observations of anomalous phenomena in the lithosphere, atmosphere and ionosphere of the Earth, as well as in free space on NASA shuttle footage, all support the existence of these VDs as a tangible reality. And Professor John Searl used these principles to create a workable anti-gravity machine, whose drive system was built with a rotating system of magnets. Later, Russian scientists Roschin and Godin replicated Searl’s results independently and measured temperature drops and “spheres within spheres” of magnetic energy that surrounded their device once it was powered up.
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...I'll stop derailing, though, and keep looking.
 
It gets super wacky from here.

There is a website that Penta link to all the time called the Bio-Hydration Research Lab

They have the tiniest scrap of the infamous clusterd water study we are trying to locate:
The 'in-depth' article
(Don't bother with the link they provide on that page - it just takes you to the magazine contents page, as does my link earlier)

But the Penta Water site iself is just mental. These people are scary.
A Time Out reporter incurs their wrath:
Penta accuses someone else of doing no research and not knowing science. How ironic.


Here is the Bio-Hydration 'research' on Penta Water in its entirety:
Here comes the pseudo-science bit.
WARNING: There are lots of pretty graphs and equations to confuse and delight you.

But surely all this is testable? And these claims are refutable?
I mean here they are claiming:
"Experiments were conducted on human lymphocytes using the DNA-alkylating agent Mitomycin C to induce various types of mutations in cells. Results showed that the metaphase aberrant frequency was 1.75 times lower (see Fig.1) and the number of chromosome breaks was 1.51 times less with Penta-water based cell media compared to deionized water (see Fig.2). The difference was statistically significant in both cases, with P<0.05"

Surely if this research is bogus it needs to be actioned.
And if it is real then more research needs to be done.
 
Also, Mitomycin C appears to be a drug used in chemotherapy.

So they are claiming that Penta water makes anti-cancer drugs less effective then?

Shouldn't there be warnings about that on the site?
 
While I lack any scientific data to add, I can give an unscientific anecdote.

My mother once bought a bottle of this stuff, so I decided to give it a try.

It tasted like water.

I bet a test that homepaths always fail would work for this stuff too. Have one of the "scientists" from this company try to distinguish between penta water and normal water.
 
It appears to be a real journal: it's published by the Wave Research Centre in Russia, and is mentioned at the end of this page:
http://www.gpi.ru/wrc/english/index_e.htm

However, it's not listed on the UK Web of Science or my university's journals list, so it's a very, very minor journal. It strikes me that this might be one of those papers that someone's managed to get published through poor refereeing - otherwise it would be in a major journal. Happens all the time.
 
I did a bit of digging on Physics of Vibration before, but it looks like the thread got purged.

Who is the editor of Physics of Vibration? It's Professor Fedor V Bunkin, of the Wave Reseach Center at the General Physics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Who is one of the authors of 'Study of cluster molecular structures in various types of liquid water by using spontaneous Raman Spectroscopy', published in PoV? Why, it's one Alexey F Bunkin of, er... the Wave Reseach Center at the General Physics Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

There's also an N. F. Bunkin on the faculty.
 
Here is another forum where the posters have also been annoyed by Penta Water's lies

A Slice of Nate - Penta water discussed

And they've actually got the famous report!
Study of cluster molecular structures in various types of liquid water by using spontaneous Raman Spectroscopy

Posted by Sha Sha on that site:
This sounds a lot like what Penta water is claiming BUT when they describe their methods, they say that "the laser was synchronized so that its pulse was generated just before the trailing edge of the ultrasound pulse crossed the focal point. The spatial–temporal coincidence of the laser and ultrasound pulses was observed by the light diffraction on the ultrasound wave." Essentially this means that they observed the water's structure IMMEDIATELY after the ultrasound was applied. This is because the changes in structure last for only picoseconds (1/1,000,000,000,000ths of a second). Thus structural changes may occur, but water returns to normal immediately after the driving force for change (i.e. the ultrasonic pulse) is gone. So the only way they could observe altered clustering was to observe it right away.

Also, the article never mentions Penta water specifically, so I'm not quite sure why Penta warrants citing these articles on their website (albeit in a half-assed way). I'd post the article itself, but I'm not sure it's legal. Here's the full citation (if anyone is interested I can email you the PDF):
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All very interesting.

How are Penta getting away with all this?
 
Ashles wrote
All very interesting.

How are Penta getting away with all this?.
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Great work on those links, the Time-Out response seems particularly mental.

Some of their claims as to what Penta can do seem pretty vague, hard to measure and what you'd expect from, er, drinking more water. For example, another flyer I picked up (I'd scan them in if I had a scanner!)

REGULAR PENTA DRINKERS REPORT:
Feeling more relaxed and less stressed
Increased mental focus
[snip]
An improvement in skin and hair condition

etc,etc...tiresomely vague, but not necessarily untrue.

My other feeling is that a lot of people, especially the people that congregate at the Yoga Studio (I just rent a room off them for psychotherapy) won't be batting an eyelid at these claims. Great, so they've shrunk water molecules so they hydrate us more easily! Why should people not believe that?

Another uphill battle.
 
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