Philosophical argument and Journal for proving the existence of Psychic Phenomena

[atrix7100]

Okay guys this is my journal that I am working on for proving the existence on phenomena that has occurred, and how it is likely to have happened it is 35000 words and it is still growing and being edited. I am honestly probably not 20% done.

Edited by zooterkin: 

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Paper is here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Edited for rule 4.

 

[PiedPiper]

Do you seriously expect anyone to read that wall of text?

I might point out, a scholarly "journal" is used to debate a given topic, to present papers in a certain field. A journal does not set out to prove any one theory or topic. It opens the field for educated debate on the subjects in that field.

This is more of a book on the subject. It's also not a very interesting one, as the only thing worse than having to listen to someone describe their dream to you is having to read their words for yourself.

Just my opinion...

 

[MikeG]

A helluva lot of words which add up to......."I've got no proof"

 

[atrix7100]

I can see that you did not bother to even attempt read it but perhaps scrolled to the bottom and gave a quick analysis. Besides nobody said you had to read the about the dreams. This journal area is just my thoughts on the issue, it is I guess, the area that I wrote for everybody, its a philosophical theory that I making more concrete.

Proof
And I am collecting evidence through the following means... I write about a dream that I had snapshot it and enter it to a log, When the dream is happening, I get a camera and take an image of the event that the dream log depicted.

It all depends on understanding and everything in the journal is supposed to help the individual understand how and what is possibly occurring while giving possible explanations

essentially, I am looking for open-minded intellectuals who would actually take the time to understand the philosophy and psychology involved with my thoughts and how I came to them.

 

[HighRiser]

Treating a public form as your personal blog is gonna be widely viewed as bad behavior.

 

[Resume]

I am honestly probably not 20% done.[/I]

I predict you are done.

 

[MikeG]

I can see that you did not bother to even attempt read it but perhaps scrolled to the bottom and gave a quick analysis.

If you are responding to me, the quote button is at the bottom right of every post........and you are wrong. I didn't read every self-indulgent word, but skim-read enough to get the gist.

Proof
And I am collecting evidence through the following means... I write about a dream that I had snapshot it and enter it to a log, When the dream is happening, I get a camera and take an image of the event that the dream log depicted.

Post rationalising dreams is going to prove exactly what? Yep, you've got it.....precisely nothing. You note a dream and then go out looking for a photo which resembles it, and think that will convince anyone at all, let alone a group of sceptics? Think again.

I am looking for open-minded intellectuals who would actually take the time to understand the philosophy and psychology involved with my thoughts and how I came to them.

There's no trouble in that. Nothing to understand there. What you need to deal with is why you would think this would be proof of anything, other than that you have no understanding of the meaning of the word 'proof'.

 

[asydhouse]

I can see that you did not bother to even attempt read it but perhaps scrolled to the bottom and gave a quick analysis. Besides nobody said you had to read the about the dreams. This journal area is just my thoughts on the issue, it is I guess, the area that I wrote for everybody, its a philosophical theory that I making more concrete.

Proof
And I am collecting evidence through the following means... I write about a dream that I had snapshot it and enter it to a log, When the dream is happening, I get a camera and take an image of the event that the dream log depicted.
It all depends on understanding and everything in the journal is supposed to help the individual understand how and what is possibly occurring while giving possible explanations

essentially, I am looking for open-minded intellectuals who would actually take the time to understand the philosophy and psychology involved with my thoughts and how I came to them.

If you think the hilited part makes any kind of sense, you need to learn to use the English language. Try learning the purposes of punctuation and capitalisation. It looks as if you intend this single sentence to be two sentences, because you capitalised "When", but even reading it as two, I can't make out what you are trying to say.

How do you "snapshot" a dream? Are you saying that you have the same dream again at a later time, so you "get a camera" in your dream and take a photograph in the dream? Sounds completely useless to me.

If you took the time to actually write clearly what you are trying to say, you might find that your thoughts actually become less hectic and more understandable.

I won't be reading your "philosophy" however, because without reproducible events, i.e. data gathered through well-designed scientific studies, your wild suppositions and half-glimpsed possibilities will remain undigestible and ungrammatical nonsense. Sorry, but manic fool/genius mavericks are two a penny. We are all poets.

Disciplined work is required in order to achieve anything worthwhile. That means having the humility to become a student. Unfortunately for you, "philosophy" is not the tool that will reveal reality. You need science for that.

 

[atrix7100]

So you are using personal attacks to justify that my work is not worth reading. When I clearly state that everything is explained in the journal in its section.

Everything we interpret in life is is based on our perception whether preconceived or if that lens is hammered into us by our mother culture, so if you see anything that has to do with phenomena or something that is not explained by orthodox science you will have included yourself from the ability to understand it. I am simply looking for someone in here will read what I believe is the cause without throwing in there personal bias or lens.

Besides, this is a topic that will naturally attract a lot of skeptics and most skeptics from what I see do not have the same level of understanding or are just afraid to understand. All that matters is that I understand, I have took my understanding and used to create this.

What I meant by snapshotting the dream. I wrote down every dream that I saw that bore the reminisce of a psychic dream into a online log which was snapshotting by screen upon entry sealing the data. When the dream occurs in reality, I would take a photo of the event that the dream depicted and match them to the log with the dream it depicts.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

You need to learn about paragraphs. Dream about them and then take a picture.
My brain went numb trying to read your OP and I nearly had a seizure.

 

[jhunter1163]

Atrix:

Just a word of friendly advice... you're not allowed to copy and paste such large amounts of text here. What you can do, though, is link to it. You can't post actual links until you've made 15 posts, but if you post the link without the "www." part, someone will post it for you; someone such as myself, one of your friendly neighborhood moderators.

And the rest of you, do try to be civil and polite. Thanks.

 

[atrix7100]

Thanks for the advice, I was unaware that I was in violation of any codes, will repost it as you suggested.

 

[Pulvinar]

Besides, this is a topic that will naturally attract a lot of skeptics and most skeptics from what I see do not have the same level of understanding or are just afraid to understand. All that matters is that I understand, I have took my understanding and used to create this.

Ok, but do you understand that the purpose of this forum is communication between people, helping others understand your ideas?

Otherwise, why are you posting here?

 

[atrix7100]

Well, if I did not understand it then how would I be able to get someone else to understand it? My psychology professor was intrigued by it I do not know what else would help at this moment, I am sorry.

 

[atrix7100]

Post rationalising dreams is going to prove exactly what? Yep, you've got it.....precisely nothing. You note a dream and then go out looking for a photo which resembles it, and think that will convince anyone at all, let alone a group of sceptics? Think again.



There's no trouble in that. Nothing to understand there. What you need to deal with is why you would think this would be proof of anything, other than that you have no understanding of the meaning of the word 'proof'.

I still have a life to live, I am currently a student at college so if you think that I am just walking around waiting for a dream to occur you are wrong. If that was the case then every dream would not come true. What I am proving is that these events fell along a logical timeline based on statistics that my dreams predicted.

And how would skimming it allow you to get the gist of it?

However, if that does not suite well as proof to you. How else would I provide evidence?

 

[Aepervius]

A helluva lot of words which add up to......."I've got no proof"

Maybe he was trying for the prize of the l0ongest first post EVER on jref forum ?

I think he certainly won it.

Oh, and TL;DR, but if you start with a "philosophical" proof, for a physical phenomena, chance is that you have no evidence at all and not speaking of stuff grounded in reality.

 

[MikeG]

So you are using personal attacks to justify that my work is not worth reading........

Who are you referring to? I told you about the Quote function in a previous post, but unfortunately you haven't yet absorbed this. It would help everyone if you could spare it some attention.

As for personal attacks: they are against the rules here, and you are encouraged to report people who post in such a manner. However, you do have to understand that ripping poor posts to shreds is absolutely not a personal attack. You should also be aware that there are some smart people here who know the rules very well, so personal attacks are actually less common than you might think.

So, I can say quite freely.....no, your work isn't worth reading (in full). You cannot (nor can anyone) use philosophy or a journal noting only your own personal experience to prove the existence of a paranormal phenomena. As I said, attempting to do this, in principle, merely demonstrates a lack of understanding of the word proof.

 

[asydhouse]

So you are using personal attacks to justify that my work is not worth reading. When I clearly state that everything is explained in the journal in its section.

Everything we interpret in life is is based on our perception whether preconceived or if that lens is hammered into us by our mother culture, so if you see anything that has to do with phenomena or something that is not explained by orthodox science you will have included yourself from the ability to understand it. I am simply looking for someone in here will read what I believe is the cause without throwing in there personal bias or lens.

Besides, this is a topic that will naturally attract a lot of skeptics and most skeptics from what I see do not have the same level of understanding or are just afraid to understand. All that matters is that I understand, I have took my understanding and used to create this.

What I meant by snapshotting the dream. I wrote down every dream that I saw that bore the reminisce of a psychic dream into a online log which was snapshotting by screen upon entry sealing the data. When the dream occurs in reality, I would take a photo of the event that the dream depicted and match them to the log with the dream it depicts.

Are you saying you thought my post was a personal attack? It wasn't. I'm sorry if you took it that way. The barrage of words that is your writing style perhaps made me react with a style of writing which expressed my distate for the wordage.

My puzzlement over what your intended meaning could be was genuine, and i was seriously attempting to help you understand that writing in such a way will not help you to convey your meaning.

My advise to study English writing stands. Also, I do believe that writing clearly helps people to think clearly. Read over what you write as if someone else were telling you. If you find it's not clear, change the structure of the sentence, change the punctuation, include words needed to clarify, cut out extraneous words, make sure you are writing in complete sentences, and that it all makes sense slowly and calmly.

Only then will you be able to begin to have a conversation with anyone.

Seriously.

For what it's worth, I still find it hard to understand what you are saying in your explanation of your snapshot stuff. Perhaps English isn't your native language, in which case you are doing very well but need more work. Whatever, you need to slow down and do the work.

 

[atrix7100]

Who are you referring to? I told you about the Quote function in a previous post, but unfortunately you haven't yet absorbed this. It would help everyone if you could spare it some attention.

As for personal attacks: they are against the rules here, and you are encouraged to report people who post in such a manner. However, you do have to understand that ripping poor posts to shreds is absolutely not a personal attack. You should also be aware that there are some smart people here who know the rules very well, so personal attacks are actually less common than you might think.

So, I can say quite freely.....no, your work isn't worth reading (in full). You cannot (nor can anyone) use philosophy or a journal noting only your own personal experience to prove the existence of a paranormal phenomena. As I said, attempting to do this, in principle, merely demonstrates a lack of understanding of the word proof.

The journal is not what I am using to prove the existence the journal is my thoughts and personal experiences that would convey and help someone else understand the idea. The area that would be a part of a scientific journal is not there.

You say that my evidence is not sufficient and cannot used, but I can not control what another person will think and do logically right? So if In a dream I describe someone I am interacting with in a place that I describe that I have never been to before that cannot be used as evidence? What is the chance of me self-replicating and event like that? Like one and a million and the more detailed or out of time the dream is the probability become even lower.

But if I need even more proof, fine so be it, I will look for other people with the same ability and ask to study them but if that proves to fail to stop the flaming. I will submit an application for the paranormal challenge and by passing solidify my authenticity.

 

[MikeG]

........But if I need even more proof, fine so be it, I will look for other people with the same ability and ask to study them but if that proves to fail to stop the flaming. I will submit an application for the paranormal challenge and by passing solidify my authenticity.

Even more than zero would be a start.

This is NOT flaming. Pointing out the fundamental flaws in your approach and what you hope to achieve is a critique, and if you were genuinely attempting science, you would count this as a positive rather than suggest we are flaming or making personal attacks.

There are proper scientists on here, who, if you are genuinely interested will I am sure tell you how you might approach the question of proof on this subject. Don't present this self-assessment idea of yours, however, and expect it to get too much credit.

Best of luck passing the miilion dollar challenge. We'll watch with interest.