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Pharmaceutical conspiracies

Diagoras

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Apparently a surprising number of people think the pharmaceutical companies have discovered instant cures for major diseases, but they're covering it up to keep people buying large quantities of drugs. I can't believe anybody can honestly entertain that idea. I mean, if some company actually invested all the money to research and develop a cure for cancer, and they had a real cure for cancer, why in the world wouldn't they immediately pounce on the patent for it? Undoubtedly they would win a Nobel Prize, all the investors would be clamoring for their stocks, and their corporation would become one of the most widely admired by everybody on the planet, as their drugs are distributed to every single individual from now on who develops that disease.

And if there was a cover-up, that would make it even more enticing for somebody inside to expose it. Not only would you be credited with saving millions of lives, you'd be an instant hero for exposing the cover-up. You can't shut up the number of scientists it takes to do all the research to figure out that something is the instant cure for a major disease. The people who get into researching cures for diseases are the kind of people who are eager to use medical science to save lives. Even if they were greedy individuals solely looking for profit and power, not coming public with a cure for a major disease makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
I have said before (and this is lost on most) that pharmaceutical companies do not want people to die of cancer. They do not want people to die of anything. Cancer drugs are small potatoes. They're expensive to develop, have a limited market and the patients either die or end up being successfully treated, so it's not ongoing.

The actual money is in drugs with mass-market appeal, those which are big enough to make mass production and which are taken regularly are by far the best. And if they're relatively simple chemically that's even better.

Erectile dysfunction drugs are HUGE for profits. Antidepressants generate decent profits. Allergy drugs are huge cash makers. Acid blockers, hair loss, high blood pressure, arthritis. And especially cholesterol drugs. Stalins make more money than any other kind of drug.

The drug companies want you to live a long life and be very old, very arthritic, very bald, very high blood pressured, very impotent and ideally a bit depressed about it too.

The ironic thing is that many of these things do have a "natural cure" and the drug companies do not cover it up at all.

Is there a natural alternative to statins? Sure, it's simple. Change your diet and exercise. The drugs even say "When overexercise and diet changes are not enough."

But be that as it may, do you really think the majority of people who take cholesterol or high blood pressure drugs are really doing so as a last resort. How many people do you know who take cholesterol drugs who say "I had to. I stopped eating eggs entirely. I cut out all deserts. I eat a salad for lunch every day and no fried foods and I run two miles. But it just wasn't enough so I had to resort to drugs."

I'm going to guess zero. The fact that these things sell like they do has a lot to do with the fact that most people aren't going to really for the amount of lifestyle changes you'd need otherwise. It's no conspiracy. It's not that people don't know that changing their diet and exercising will reduce cholesteral or blood pressure or acid reflux.
 
Sounds reminiscent of the 100 mile per gallon carburator that the evil oil companies covered up in the '70s.:p
 
DRBUZZ0 said:
Erectile dysfunction drugs are HUGE for profits. Antidepressants generate decent profits. Allergy drugs are huge cash makers. Acid blockers, hair loss, high blood pressure, arthritis. And especially cholesterol drugs. Stalins make more money than any other kind of drug.
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I always suspected that he was really a capitalist in disguise. ;)
 
I work in the pharmaceutical distribution field, supplying hospitals, pharmacies, and large government accounts, so this notion has always been rather funny to me. Most people that believe this stuff probably don't realize how much money the drug manufacturers pour into R&D. I believe that developing a new drug runs an average of about $400 million or so.

A "cure" for cancer would be more of a genetic manipulation thing. And yes, every scientist would love to be the first person to proclaim that they have found the cure to a major disease. It reminds me of what a project leader for a Mars surveyor (forgot his name) said to George Noory when he was asked is NASA was covering up evidence of life on Mars. To paraphrase roughly, he said, "I'm in charge to taking the pictures, and if I found life there, I would be the first to jump for the instant Nobel Prize."

The only pharmaceutical "conspiracy" I know of is the efforts of some (mostly foreign) entities to sell counterfeit drugs on the open market. A prime example would be the infamous fake Viagra tablets coming from Russia that were composed primarily of concrete:boggled: For this reason, we no longer buy drugs from other distributors in a second-hand manner. We now only receive drugs directly from the manufacturers.
 
That CT is especiallly popular with people who are peddling some form of alternative treatment. Just look at the homeopathy forums; they are almost constantly raving about how the Evil Big Pharma Conspiracy is conniving to keep people sick and medicated.

It is really very ironic: They have no evidence for their own stuff except claiming that they and their patients can see it works. But apparantly the same observational skills don't exist with the rest of the population, who never seem to notice that they get worse every time they go to the doctor :rolleyes:.

I work with a large insulin producer, and you might think we would not want to try to find a cure for diabetes. Yet we are researching just that. Why? Well, it may be bad news for us (not really, because there are customers enough, but never mind), but it will be even worse news if somebody else does it. So if somebody should invent a cure for diabetes, we'll want it to be us.


Hans
 
Please, anyone, bring an allege medical CT and present your evidence...This is a game I can play well...

I have already been tackling the Mercury-Vaccine-Autism crap on blogs elsewhere.


TAM:)
 
Many cancer's have been "cured" in the sense that they've had the survivability brought up very high. (Yes there are still some that more deadly than others)

The issue is that there's no single pill cure for cancer. And *probably* never will be. But that's just the nature of cancer.
 
T.A.M. said:
Please, anyone, bring an allege medical CT and present your evidence...This is a game I can play well...

I have already been tackling the Mercury-Vaccine-Autism crap on blogs elsewhere.


TAM:)
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Hey, I've got a question for you on Autism... I've heard this take on the the Autism CT: Here in the U.S. (and I believe Canada too cause of Doug Flutie) it seems that there is a disproportionate number of Football players have kids with Autism. Now, I've heard of CTs that it's either due to "nutritional supplements) to the pesticides or fertilizers that they use on the fields for practice and play.

Ever hear of these?

My take is that the instances are the same as the general population... It's just that they have more money and fame and therefore in the spotlight more.
 
No I have not, but please provide a link, as it has my ***** DETECTOR going off...

TAM:)
 
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T.A.M. said:
Please, anyone, bring an allege medical CT and present your evidence...This is a game I can play well...

I have already been tackling the Mercury-Vaccine-Autism crap on blogs elsewhere.


TAM:)
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But...Alex Jones says it's admitted that they put mercury in the vaccines to kill us? :confused:
 
The drugs even say "When overexercise and diet changes are not enough."
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This isn't right. It's exercise and not only that but in general there are people in which this doesn't help.
I'm going to guess zero. The fact that these things sell like they do has a lot to do with the fact that most people aren't going to really for the amount of lifestyle changes you'd need otherwise. It's no conspiracy. It's not that people don't know that changing their diet and exercising will reduce cholesteral or blood pressure or acid reflux.
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Im guessing more than that. Doctors wouldn't let them do it.
 
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T.A.M. said:
No I have not, but please provide a link, as it has my ***** DETECTOR going off...

TAM:)
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I believe you. Sounds like BS to me. I remember reading it in my local newspaper back when Doug Flutie used to play for the Bills. (Go Giants!)
 
I encountered someone a while back who offered Magic Johnson as "proof" that a cure for AIDS was available. It's being kept from the poor and is limited to anyone who can afford it, etc.

I find a good answer for this is to ask if Freddy Mercury, Arthur Ash, and the guy who played Mike Brady were poor. Follow that up with information about medical advances that have been made since they've died.
 
Reverse that,Space Monkey.
Trudeau moved into medical scams after serving time for finaincial frauds,including a conviction for credit card fraud.
What amazes me is the morons who buy that all of his convictions for fraud are a part of a "big pharma" plot against him.which is Trudeau's response to questions about his long police record.
Part of the anti big Pharma craze is the idea that making a profit in the health care field is immoral of and by itself.
 
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