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Ed Pentagon - TruthMakesPeace

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Since cicorp is unwilling to start a new thread and has instead derailed one, I have posted a response to one of his posts here;

Too much suspicious behavior: quick confiscation and withholding of 85 Pentagon security camera photos, Virginia DOT cams, 911 dispatch calls.

In a police investigation jst how slowly would such gathering of evidence be proper and non-suspicious?
In fact could it not be argued that had the FBI taken days to gather all these videos that they would be derilict in their duties?

Also suspicious: Vanishing titanium engines,

Only ver specific parts of the engines are titanium and I doubt that the causual observer would even recognize those parts as being from specific engines.
no wing marks,
??? The missing part of the front wall at the first floor(ground floor) level is 90 to 100 feet, sufficient to account for the wingspan of the aircraft.

strongest Pentagon section hit,

So? The aircraft managed to destroy the entire section it hit. It would have done the same had it hit a supposedly weaker section as well. It would not have had enough momentum to carry accross the interior open space and contact another wing, so your point is rather meaningless.

Accounting department,
What about it? Had it hit the radio room would that be less 'suspicious'? the office of Rummy himself? What part of this structure would carry with it no 'suspiciousness'?

opposite side from Rumsfeld

Well not quite and again would you have reason to expect to have Rummy specifically targeted? If not then your point is again meaningless.
, poor pilot Hani,

He was proficient enough to keep the aircraft in the air and generally pointed at where he wanted it to go. One needs no more than that and an ability to read a map to aim for and hit not only the largest structure for hundreds of miles but one that is a particularily unigue shape and lying alongside a major river and only 1 mile from a navigational aid (VOR/DME)


Evidence and witness testimonies support a plane approached the Pentagon.
Yes, they do and in fact they totally support the notion that said aircraft impacted the Pentagon since EVERYONE who was in a position to see it occur said IT DID!!!


There was ample opportunity during the remodeling operation. Plane parts could be ejected out to the lawn by a pre-planted bomb.
Oddly enough though 100 feet of brick and stone that made up the first floor wall DID NOT end up on the Pentagon lawn indicating that no explosive went off propelling debris outward from the inside of the structure.
Second. no 'bomb' exists that would manage to take out 100 feet, laterally , the front wall of ONE storey without creating a huge hole accross several storeys


DNA confirms the Pentagon employees alright. We need to confirm the original location and chain of custody of Flight 77 passenger DNA.
Contact the Armed Forces DNA Identification labs. Get back to us when you have sufficient reason to suspect a problem with this chain of custody. You know, something other than 'I don't trust the gov't/DoD'
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Or they want to be "part of history" as in the case of Steven Storti. For free he claimed to interviewers that he saw the plane hit the Pentagon. I personally went to check out his balcony view. Steven moved out and the apartment was being shown to new tenants. It was 1 mile from the crash and buildings were in the way.

Hi Aldo!!

Now how abot refering to Boger without saying he is lieing.


Fine, what are the serial numbers?
Why? If witnesses say they saw a plane matching the description of an AA Boeing and parts consistent with type are found in the structure and an AA Boeing is tracked to the location by radar at which time it disappears from radar then why need such specifics?
If it quacks like a duck, paddles about in the water and has a brilliant green head then it probably a male Mallard duck, we do not need DNA testing to confirm such avian identity.

Yes, identified at another base, miles from the Pentagon.

Again, SO? You expected a DNA lab to be set up on the Pentagon front lawn? or do you watch too much CSI?

Storti shows that "eye witnesses" might exaggerate. Each one has to be checked out in a new investigation.
Given that several of the CiT's own star witnesses specifically say that the aircraft hit the Pentagon even though they all differ in some way as to the exact path it took to get there we can conclude that this one specific in which they all agree is MORE accurate than many other aspects of such testimony. The reasons for this are many. First of all is the fact that as the aircraft hits the Pentagon it is clearly discernable where it is. There are spatial references galore for the observer to reference UNLIKE when the aircraft is in the air and there are few such references. Of course there is also the very traumatic emotion associated with seeing a plane impact a structure. Same happens with car accidents. Witnesses may vary widely as to the speed and behaviour of the car before it hits a tree but they all can describe that it hit front end first and that it hit the tree. The aircraft in the air flying very low and very fast is an oddity, and somewhat unnerving but carries not the same emotional response that seeing it hit a building would. In fact when such things happen , very often people will say that their first thought was "NO!" in that they did not want to see this occur, wished for it not to, found it traumatic to consider. YET here we are with many witnesses saying that the aircraft did IN FACT hit the building.


Thanks for the suggestion. Interesting video. Some thoughts: Someone rightly says "you should leave it (plane part) where it was." He gives it to a police officer, who should have marked the position. Rumsfeld is seen helping to carry people (photo op) instead of leading the DoD. There is still the possibility that pre-planted plane parts could have exploded out to the lawn. The video shows the Capitol evacuation, as they should have done earlier at the Pentagon. Rep. Porter Goss told the reporter they DID anticipate plane attacks in to buildings.

I suppose you are very good at Monady morning reviewing of the calls that quarter backs make on Sunday as well.

I never said it was a missile.
No you keep saying 'bomb' without any evidence at all that this resembles in any way the effect of a bomb. You will have to account for no bricks and stone on the lawn and a highly selective lateral removal of the first floor wall as well as the fact that the genset on the lawn was moved TOWARDS the building rather than away from it.

I have met Pentagon Police Sgt. Brooks, and find his testimony, confirmed by Sgt. Lagasse's video, to be credible (Plane North Side of Citgo).

Yet you also wrote "Storti shows that "eye witnesses" might exaggerate." and it should go without saying that eyewitnesses can also be incorrect.

I am still gathering info before publicly stating my opinion about what happened to the plane after it passed the Citgo. The light pole in the taxi window, without scratching the hood, is dubious.

Yeah, 'plants,' more people involved in shenanigans that no one at all saw occur.
 
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Here's a short little video from twenty minutes after the "impact". The conclusion is crystal clear for every astute observer before any CIT investigation was started: No 757 hit the Pentagon. People were fooled.


Deal with it.
 
Here's a short little video from twenty minutes after the "impact". The conclusion is crystal clear for every astute observer before any CIT investigation was started: No 757 hit the Pentagon. People were fooled.


Deal with it.

Deal with what?
I see and hear NOTHING to suggest that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

Are you sure you posted the video you wanted to?:D:D:D
 
So what we have is ANOTHER huge pile of no planer, CE. It appears your ideologue goggles allow you believe just about anything, no questions asked, huh CE? It's sad because that's what you think about us, yet you have no idea that you are the one being fooled.

As far as cicorp's garbage, personal incredulity, anyone?
 
Here's a short little video from twenty minutes after the "impact". The conclusion is crystal clear for every astute observer before any CIT investigation was started: No 757 hit the Pentagon. People were fooled.


Deal with it.

Can you help me become an astute observer, please? What should I have observed in that video?
 
Here's a short little video from twenty minutes after the "impact". The conclusion is crystal clear for every astute observer before any CIT investigation was started: No 757 hit the Pentagon. People were fooled.


Deal with it.

Your conclusion is wrong.
 
Indeed. Here's another early video:


Ever seen the collapse? Also contains the only video (a second or two) i've found of Lloyde's cab:

Wait, you have not explained your first video, and now you are spamming more?

Seriously?

Freaking No Planers.
 
Indeed. Here's another early video:

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Yikes.
This is so 2006.
I thought you had a firmer grab on the English language.

Woman asks if there was any indication that the plane landed short of the Pentagon. In other words, did not crash directly into it, but on the lawn.
Answer by guy: No, there is no indication it crashed near - read: outside, on lawn - but every indication it crashed smack into the Pentagon.
Are you saying the guy means that no plane at all crashed? This is contradicted by the guy reporting pieces of a plane that can be picked up by hand!
Who are you trying to fool? Yourself, eh?
 
Can you help me become an astute observer, please? What should I have observed in that video?
The effect works best if you slam your head on the desk a few times before viewing. Nothing like a good brain injury to help recognize the "truth".

;)
 
Indeed. Here's another early video:


Ever seen the collapse? Also contains the only video (a second or two) i've found of Lloyde's cab:


I hate to sound like such a noob - but wow. What a fail.
The first video is grossly skewed beyond what was actually said, and the second video, well - if it does anything, it proves it was an airplane.

Check the distance between the generator on fire (at the end of the 2nd video) and the impact hole. Betcha it's about the size of a 757 wing.
 
Answer by guy: No, there is no indication it crashed near - read: outside, on lawn - but every indication it crashed smack into the Pentagon.


I must have missed this in the 58 second video. Help me, at what timestamp did he say that it smashed into the Pentagon, Oystein?
 
I must have missed this in the 58 second video. Help me, at what timestamp did he say that it smashed into the Pentagon, Oystein?

I think its between 17 and 20 seconds when he says it:

"....Close up inspection, there's no evidence of an airplane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon, the only site is the actual side of the building its crashed in...."

I guess by "its" he's referring to the airplane because he goes on to describe airplane parts right after that quote

and "the building" I guess its safe to assume is The Pentagon - the one on fire in the background.

Anything else we can help you with?


Now please - answer post #9 so we can all be on the same page. One video at a time.
 

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