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Pentagon Theories

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A while ago I started writing a paper about various conspiracy theories dealing with the Pentagon, but suddenly quit working on it once I got really busy with school. But finally over thanksgiving break I was able to finish it.

It's a paper talking about almost every CT dealing with the Pentagon I could find online. The grammar probably sucks but it's just the first draft.

Anyways, if you want to read it, you'll have to download it from here:
http://storeandserve.com/download/610073/Pentagon_Theories.doc.html
Sorry for the lousy hosting service, this is just the best free one I could find.

I started writing this only for one Conspiracy Theorist in one of my classes at school to read at first, but decided to put it online as well once I discovered how many people believe something other than Flight 77 struck the Pentagon. There's probably some errors, so if you decide to read this, please tell me. Thanks. :)
 
Hi and welcome.
Not to be presumptuous, but your link is probably too much trouble to access. Many of us have attention span issues with CT topics.
 
Pretty comprehensive. Lots of pictures. I deal with the no-planers alot on colboard, so this could be useful if it was online as html instead of in a doc.

Here are a few you've missed:
1) FDR-based conspiracy theories (altimeter, animation, specifically)
2) The tail section. You dealt with the windows, but not the tail. No-planers have switched to the lack of damage from the tail. No broken windows, etc.


This also reminded me of a theory I've never heard of before, courtesy of a very 'special' no planer on loosechange:

A missile or drone hit the pentagon, flight 93 landed in cleveland, and flight 77 crashed in shankesville. Hey, at least it's original
 
Anti-sophist said:
Pretty comprehensive. Lots of pictures. I deal with the no-planers alot on colboard, so this could be useful if it was online as html instead of in a doc.

Here are a few you've missed:
1) FDR-based conspiracy theories (altimeter, animation, specifically)
2) The tail section. You dealt with the windows, but not the tail. No-planers have switched to the lack of damage from the tail. No broken windows, etc.


This also reminded me of a theory I've never heard of before, courtesy of a very 'special' no planer on loosechange:

A missile or drone hit the pentagon, flight 93 landed in cleveland, and flight 77 crashed in shankesville. Hey, at least it's original
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Flight 77 crashed at shanksville? Never heard that one before, I've heard the theory of Flight 11, 175, and 77 being landed, and all of the passengers of those planes were loaded onto Flight 93 which was later crashed.

Thanks for reminding me about the tail section theory, I could just add a little to the part about it in the non-broken windows area of the paper.

As for the FDR conspiracy theories, those are hard to address since there's really not much to say about them. Eye witnesses saw a plane, the Pentagon damage is consistant with an aircraft crash, that's all there is to it.

Yeah, I tried to add as many pictures as possible just because they seem to make things like this easier to read.

Since this is my first paper I've ever put online, I'm not really sure how to make it HTML, or know of a better place to host it. If anyone has any info on that, it would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
As for the FDR conspiracy theories, those are hard to address since there's really not much to say about them. Eye witnesses saw a plane, the Pentagon damage is consistant with an aircraft crash, that's all there is to it.
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Yea, that's fine and dandy if you are rational. That's not the way they work. If they can find a _single_ anomaly, that means the neocons did it. It doesn't matter that their anomaly is in direct contradiction with a giant mountain of evidence and be explained by a much simpler theory (ie, their own ignorance, for one). If the altimeter on the FDR says 400 feet, that's an anomaly. It doesn't matter that 100s of people saw it, that the FDR was actually found in the pentagon, that hundreds of people picked up parts, that remains of passengers were found, etc, etc. Since the altimeter says 400 feet, the neocons did it.

I'm still working on my FDR paper though, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
Anti-sophist said:
Yea, that's fine and dandy if you are rational. That's not the way they work. If they can find a _single_ anomaly, that means the neocons did it. It doesn't matter that their anomaly is in direct contradiction with a giant mountain of evidence and be explained by a much simpler theory (ie, their own ignorance, for one). If the altimeter on the FDR says 400 feet, that's an anomaly. It doesn't matter that 100s of people saw it, that the FDR was actually found in the pentagon, that hundreds of people picked up parts, that remains of passengers were found, etc, etc. Since the altimeter says 400 feet, the neocons did it.

I'm still working on my FDR paper though, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Do you plan on putting your FDR paper online? I would wouldn't mind reading that since I haven't done a major amount of research into the subject.
 
Unfit4Command said:
Since this is my first paper I've ever put online, I'm not really sure how to make it HTML, or know of a better place to host it. If anyone has any info on that, it would be greatly appreciated. :)
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i can convert it to HTML and host it on my site if you dont mind, let me know if you want me to do this
 
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Unfit4Command said:
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hmmm...a lot of the pictures in the doc file just look like black squares to me. I wonder why it would do that...
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probably just taking a while to download, i get that alot too, once it finishes loading everything they should be fine, they all look fine on my computer
 
Unfit4Command said:
Oh, thanks a lot. I would have said yes anyways. :)

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hmmm...a lot of the pictures in the doc file just look like black squares to me. I wonder why it would do that...
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NWO really should equip their personal with fast, modern computers. Like Intel II for example.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
probably just taking a while to download, i get that alot too, once it finishes loading everything they should be fine, they all look fine on my computer
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Yeah it works now. The problem for me was just that the document wasn't loading right on firefox for some reason.

Thanks again.
 
I understand that the position of the aircraft is determined by the FDR recording of VOR/DME data. Is this correct? If so then I know that DME is accurate to +/- 600 feet. Thus the position according to the DME could in fact be up to 600 feet farther from the Pentagon than the plane's true position.

VOR also has an inherent error.

These could expain why the FDR puts the plane to the left of the light pole damage and why the data stops so soon.

jdx completely ignores this as far as I know
 
Anti-sophist said:
This also reminded me of a theory I've never heard of before, courtesy of a very 'special' no planer on loosechange:

A missile or drone hit the pentagon, flight 93 landed in cleveland, and flight 77 crashed in shankesville. Hey, at least it's original
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He and Killtown have been getting into it over at LC since KT claims no plane crashed at Shankesville.

However the other CT (I believe I know who you refer to, why not mention his name?) did state to me that what he found out at Shankesville convinced him the Flight 93 landed at Cleveland.

This illustrates the logic processes involved. I asked him how anything he learned in Shankesville could prove that Flight 93 landed anywhere, much less at a specific location, Cleveland.

You see one report was given on 9/11 that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland and because of THAT this CT takes anything at all that he can twist into it not being Flight 93 that crashed in Shankesville as being evidence that it landed in Cleveland. True logic would dictate that proving that Flight 93 did not crash in Shankesville only proves that it is not at the crash scene and it cannot say anything about its actual whereabouts.

If it is the same person , he was at the crash site and is using an aerial photograph to estimate the size of the impact crater and trench by comparing it to the width of the nearby road. He did not however measure the roadway despite the fact that doing so would have taken 2 minutes witha tape measure. Instead he estimates it then uses that esitimation to estimate the size of the trench and crater and sees nothing wrong with piling on estimation errors in such fashion.
 
I don´t know if this eyewitness-video is new but
i will add it to the conversation nevertheless...




This one fits also in here:

 
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I hope that the people who claim that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland know that the only evidence suggesting that such a thing happened was an erroneous Associated Press report that was found to be incorrect minutes after it was posted. Somebody mistakenly didn't remove it from their news web page, even though he or she meant to remove it, and it remained on the web page for a year or so....the individual responsible for the mistake has publicly admitted to the mistake and said that the story was wrong and is not to be believed.

So yeah, the only good evidence is a faulty news story. Nice evidence.
 
I'm resurrecting this long dead thread to see if anyone has any new Conspiracy Theories to share about the Pentagon crash - either theories they find plausible or theories that they have simply heard.

I'm particularly hoping JihadJane will share her/his thoughts as discussion of the Pentagon is sending this thread about Gordan Brown off topic.

P.S. Does the document in the o/p still exist anywhere?
 
gtc said:
I'm resurrecting this long dead thread to see if anyone has any new Conspiracy Theories to share about the Pentagon crash - either theories they find plausible or theories that they have simply heard.

I'm particularly hoping JihadJane will share her/his thoughts as discussion of the Pentagon is sending this thread about Gordan Brown off topic.

P.S. Does the document in the o/p still exist anywhere?
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I was asked (more than once!): "Did AA 77 hit the Pentagon, yes or no?"

I don't know.
 
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