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Palin says Barton position is not mainstream to the GOP

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A local radio station here (talk radio) ran a call in poll and over 80% of people agreed with Barton.
 
Politicians getting things done rather than posturing and preening and preparing to enrich lawyers via lawsuits?
 
Getting things done.... like getting BP to set up a 20 billion dollar fund?

You know what's funny, Beerina. Dick Armey said something very different. He said that the Obama Administration should leave it to the lawyers and courts to settle this. That's why thinks this "shakedown" is wrong.
 
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theprestige said:
Tell me: How much of the oil spill did that fund clean up last month? How much is it cleaning up this month? How much will it clean up next month?
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As usual, you missed the point. The fund is not for cleanup. It is to mitigate thje ecconomic loss for victims of BP's free-market psychosis. The actual clean-up is directly billable.

All the fund does is eliminate the need to sieze all of BP's assets and tank the British pension systems.

Maybe the British will wake up and start moving their pensions intro something more closely resembling our Social Security system.
 
theprestige said:
Tell me: How much of the oil spill did that fund clean up last month? How much is it cleaning up this month? How much will it clean up next month?

In fact, how much money is actually in the fund right now?
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So the fund is to clean up the oil spill? Where did you hear this from. You conservatives can spin all you want, but the 20 billion dollar fund is a good thing.
 
thaiboxerken said:
So the fund is to clean up the oil spill? Where did you hear this from. You conservatives can spin all you want, but the 20 billion dollar fund is a good thing.
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How much money did you say was in that fund right now?

Of course it's a good thing. On paper. When (if) it's ever fully-funded, it might even be a great thing. But that's all in the future. Right now, the fund is just a PR stunt, so people like you can claim that Obama is actually doing something.

So what is he doing, exactly? How does this fund do things like clean up oil all last month? How does it fix today's problems in the MMS? How does it audit all the other oil rigs in operation in U.S. waters right now?

It's great that Obama's doing something in the future. What about the harm this spill is doing right now, today? What about the harm this spill has been doing for two months now? Has it ever occurred to you that the people who live and work around the Gulf might be less concerned about what Obama might do in the future, and more concerned about what he has or has not done in the past and present?

Fisheries threatened? Wetlands ruined? Species endangered? These things have already happened. And you want to pretend that a fund that might actually have lots of money in it some point in the future is "doing something"? Pull the other one, please.
 
It's to get 5 billion a year for 4 years. How much in there right now? None. I don't know how long it will take BP to deliver on it's promise.

Yes, this is partly a PR deal, but not just for Obama. It's good PR for BP as well.

How do you expect Obama to fix this without securing funds from BP. Perhaps you want the tax payers to bail BP out on this. Do you want Obama to wave the magic want to fix the problem instantly.
 
Hangonaminit...

Sarah Palin is the arbiter of what is mainstream Republican thought?

Sarah Palin? The "I read all newspapers" and being-close-to-Russia-counts-as-foreign-policy-experience Sarah Palin?

I...I need a drink. And a nap. I feel a little dizzy.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It's to get 5 billion a year for 4 years. How much in there right now? None. I don't know how long it will take BP to deliver on it's promise.

Yes, this is partly a PR deal, but not just for Obama. It's good PR for BP as well.

How do you expect Obama to fix this without securing funds from BP. Perhaps you want the tax payers to bail BP out on this. Do you want Obama to wave the magic want to fix the problem instantly.
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I would agree it is good public relations for BP except for the fact that it appears to the public they were forced to do it rather than willing.

I would expect Obama to "fix this" by agressivly spending the money and resources neccesary to mitigate the damage from the spill and going to BP for the money. I believe at this point that is being done.

Where do you get the idea that anyone is saying bail BP out?


To the point in the thread it probably is mainstream Republican thought that BP should not have been forced to set up a fund especially at this point when they have not balked at paying.

This is not mainstream Republican thought and another sign to me that Obama has not done a good job on picking his advisors and staff.

"That's not a political gaffe, those are prepared remarks," Emanuel told ABC. "That is a philosophy. That is an approach to what they see. They see the aggrieved party here as BP, not the fishermen."
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eeyore1954 said:
To the point in the thread it probably is mainstream Republican thought that BP should not have been forced to set up a fund especially at this point when they have not balked at paying.
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Throwing out $50K bones here and there is hardly "mitigating losses," which is what the fund is supposed to address. The clean-up is totally separate.

This is not mainstream Republican thought and another sign to me that Obama has not done a good job on picking his advisors and staff.
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Actually, this is Obama doing something immediately for BP's victims.
 
Lurker said:
A local radio station here (talk radio) ran a call in poll and over 80% of people agreed with Barton.
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That's probably a good sampling of the people who listen to that particular show and also choose to particpate in self-selecing polls (which are about as useful as a sand merchant at the beach). In other words, not meaningful as re: public opinion.
 
hgc said:
That's probably a good sampling of the people who listen to that particular show and also choose to particpate in self-selecing polls (which are about as useful as a sand merchant at the beach). In other words, not meaningful as re: public opinion.
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Agreed. But it is a slice of conservatism.
 
The Republicans, including their leader Rush Limbaugh, are all over the airwaves bruting the "shakedown" meme, which originated as an official talking point of the 100-member strong Republican Study Group of the House.

This is identical to Barton's foolish outburst, except he uttered his apology out loud.

Looks like mainstream Republican thought to me, though of course it's not universally accepted by Republicans.
 
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Lurker said:
Agreed. But it is a slice of conservatism.
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Perhaps. I think they're just parroting back what the radio show host said to them. It doesn't quite rise to the level of a position of a political ideology, ie., conservatism.
 
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