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Oswald and Russia

SquishyDave

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OK so I think Oswald killed JFK on his own with no CIA coverup, I kinda convinced someone else that the evidence suggested this also, BUT it seems Oswald renounced his US citizenship, moved to the USSR, lived the high life, got a russian bride, then moved back to the US, now at the time the US hated the USSR, they were involved in some sort of juvenile pissing contest they liked to call the cold war as I understand it, so there was no love lost.

My question is why did the overly paranoid yank bastard government let this guy back in, with his history of being pro lenin and marx, and his evil red wife, and his renouncing of his US citizenship?

This is a bit of sticking point for me, coz the physical evidence suggests Oswald acted alone, but unless there is a reason for this commie scum being let in the country again, it looks suspicious.

Are my facts wrong? Is there a good reason for letting him back? Was his wife good looking? Can anyone help me?
 
not bad....

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They let a lot of people back in. Young hotheads did and still do renounce their US citizenship to the point where the Embassies just tell them to think about it and come back later if they still want to do that. Reality usually sets in and most folks renounce their renouncement.

Plenty of goofball hotheads were repatriated from the Soviet Union to the US. They were supposed to have some FBI surveillance, mostly voluntary, but it really wasn't considered a big deal.

Oswald did not have an easy time of it, however. It took him a lot of red tape to emigrate. It would have been easier had he not been married.
 
luvtinayothers
Thanks, yeah not too bad :)

Ed
It's General Skpeticism and the paranormal. I'm skpetical that the CIA murdered JFK and framed Oswald, him being let back in the country is a major point for the conspiracy nuts.

kookbreaker
Thankyou, that seems nice and easy, so it wasn't out of the ordinary. And kinda hard for him coz he did marry a communist. Not as open and shut as conspiracy theorists would have you believe.
 
I don't know the story, but you say Oswald came to the US from the USSR?
Then it isn't a question how the US had let him in, but how the USSR had let him out :confused: ? In that time no one was let out...
 
bratok said:
I don't know the story, but you say Oswald came to the US from the USSR?
Then it isn't a question how the US had let him in, but how the USSR had let him out :confused: ? In that time no one was let out...
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Really? Even US citizens who wanted to go back to the US?
 
I have read that the USSR was quite happy to get rid of Oswald. He had not made himself popular with them. I also suspect that if the USSR was involved in Kennedy's death, they would have chosen someone a little more ept to have done it.
 
Oswald was a sad little nut. After his emigration to the USSR, he found that working in a factory in Minsk was pretty dull. He had delusions that he would occupy some lofty position in the USSR hierarcy. I think the Soviets were probably pretty glad to be rid of him.

On his return to the US things continued to go badly, to the extent that he was attepting the emigrate to Cuba, but they were not overly keen to take him either.

The sad fact is that, if he had got his way, he would have been long gone to Cuba on that fateful day when, quite by chance, the presidential motorcade was routed past the depository where Oswald just happened to be working. :(
 
Mendor said:
Nothing really to add to the discussion, just wanted to say that I really like this neologism.
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Heh, yeah, it made me feel quite gruntled too.

Regarding Oswald etc. - I'm generally sceptical of conspiracy theories; however, they should also be taken on their merits, and not just dismissed because they're labelled conspiracy theories. Not being too familar with the JFK assassination ones, I can't really comment, except to say that some fairly good points stick in my mind - Oswald was a poor shot, according to his rifle instructors, and the book depository was quite a long way away; someone convincingly showed a good place to be, which fitted with a possible bullet trajectory, was in the drainage cavity beneath the kerb, which provided a good escape route too; and Oswald was murdered by a guy who was then also possibly murdered, which is weird. It doesn't have to be a CIA murder to still have been partly obscured, especially if they wanted to cover up incompetence. Also, some of these UFO things, whilst not providing evidence actually for the existence of aliens, do sometimes seem to demonstrate government subterfuge, almost seeming sometimes to be lying for the sake of it.

But then on the other side of the coin, it is more difficult for people to believe a lone nut could do something so significant, which is why conspiracy theories start in the first place. So I don't really have a grand point.
 
Nucular said:

Oswald was a poor shot, according to his rifle instructors,

Actually he was a very good marksman, with some pretty high scores to his record. AT one time qualifying for 'expert' class. Remember also that you would not have to be an expert to match his perfromance that day. He fired three shots, one of which missed completetly, and only one of which hit the target, ie JFK's head.

and the book depository was quite a long way away;

Not really. We are talking a few yards at a slow moving vehicle from an excellent vantage point.

someone convincingly showed a good place to be, which fitted with a possible bullet trajectory, was in the drainage cavity beneath the kerb, which provided a good escape route too;

Not true. The trajectory of the enrty wounds and exit wounds is entirely consistant with Oswalds shooting position. No evidence whatsoever of a front entry wound.

and Oswald was murdered by a guy who was then also possibly murdered, which is weird.
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Ruby died of cancer in prison. His murder of Oswald was entirely opportunistic.

You raise some of the common myths about the shooting. If you want the facts of the case I would recommend 'Case Closed' by Gerald Posner. It is the definitive study of the crime, and debunks every conspiracy theory to date.

The telling thing about the conspiracy theory is that there isn't one. There are dozens. Everyone from the CIA, Cuba, The Mafia, the unions, big business, the Soviets, and even Frank Sinatra's drummer (seriously!) have been implicated. But no theory actually explains who, why, and how. It's all hot air.

Oswald acted alone.
 
I bow to your superior knowledge, RonSceptic!

Like I said, I'm not too familiar with most of the JFK theories, and I've never bothered to look beyond the odd questionable cable documentary, so my own knowledge is, as you've shown, entirely lacking.

I do like the sound of the "Frank Sinatra's drummer" theory, though. I think I might become a loud proponent of that one, and base my arguments entirely on those of mine you've just corrected.
 
Nucular said:
I bow to your superior knowledge, RonSceptic!

Like I said, I'm not too familiar with most of the JFK theories, and I've never bothered to look beyond the odd questionable cable documentary, so my own knowledge is, as you've shown, entirely lacking.

I do like the sound of the "Frank Sinatra's drummer" theory, though. I think I might become a loud proponent of that one, and base my arguments entirely on those of mine you've just corrected.
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Yes, someone claimed that a person resembling Frank's drummer was driving a suspicious vehicle shortly after the shooting. If you want a conspiracy theory here is mine........

In the 1970's a tape turned up which alledgedly proved that there were four shots in the plaza. Four shots of course meant a conspiracy as LHO fired only three. A copy of the tape was included as a free flexi disk with Playboy magazine. It was another drummer that played the disk in a hi tech studio and discoverd echo's of other police radio transmissins which proved that the four clicks on the tape in fact occurred after JFK was in the ambulance on the way to hospital. Of course this put LHO firmly back in the frame, clearing Franks drummer completely!

So maybe the involvement of drummers in this case requires further investigation.! :)
 
After some reading and listening to people discuss the matter, I have been firmly convinced that LHO was the shooter and that it happened substantially the way the conventional account goes.

What bugs me is the thought of never knowing exactly why it was done... even if LHO was the only shooter, it leaves room for a conspiracy setting him up to do it. Has anyone done as definitive a study on this end of things?
 
gnome said:
After some reading and listening to people discuss the matter, I have been firmly convinced that LHO was the shooter and that it happened substantially the way the conventional account goes.

What bugs me is the thought of never knowing exactly why it was done... even if LHO was the only shooter, it leaves room for a conspiracy setting him up to do it. Has anyone done as definitive a study on this end of things?
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Why did some guy shoot John Lenin? Does there have to be a reason for every public assassination? Sometimes, the shooter is just a nutbar.

But it is a good question, I haven't done much research, but the little I did suggested he was a nutbar who had a known and documented problem with US authority figures.
 
gnome said:
After some reading and listening to people discuss the matter, I have been firmly convinced that LHO was the shooter and that it happened substantially the way the conventional account goes.

What bugs me is the thought of never knowing exactly why it was done... even if LHO was the only shooter, it leaves room for a conspiracy setting him up to do it. Has anyone done as definitive a study on this end of things?
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LHO was a nut. Months befoe the assassination he tried to shoot an Army General at the generals home. Frankly he was insane.

Here is a good site for those interested in learning more about the case..........

JFK Assassination
 
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